Johntsunami

I'm a current AMC dude on the VML this cycle. I love my current airframe but I do not love how much I've been on the road this assignment and I'm looking to spend more time at home. I'm looking for input from any current Laughlin/Vance/Columbus IPs to share their qualities of life. How often you fly per week and typical/expected work hours. I have bros in my squadron who were former UPT IPs and I have spoken with them but I would like to hear from current IPs, if able. Not sure if it's still a thrash implementing the 2.5 syllabus or if it's a somewhat predictable work schedule at all now. Thanks.

KEND 22-03AH/AF T-1 C-130H, Great Falls, MT ANG C-130H, St. Joseph, MO ANG C-130J, Little Rock C-130J, Ramstein HC-130J, Davis-Monthan WC-130J, Keesler AFB, MS AFRC C-17, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH AFRC C-17, Charleston C-17, McChord C-17, McGuire C-21, Ramstein C-5M, Dover C-5M, Travis KC-135, Fairchild KC-135, Kadena x2 KC-135, March KC-135, Mildenhall x3 U-28, Hurlburt x2 T-38 A-10, Davis-Monthan B-2, Whiteman F-16, TBD x3 F-22, Eglin F-35, Luke T-6, Vance T-38A, Langley

True, even funnier is that UPT 2.5 takes longer than 2.0. More hours and training requirements in both T-1 and T-38 tracks. I guess they produce unqualified pilots faster, but don’t push them through the bad any faster than legacy syllabi. At least we get more hours

Commitment starts with wings after T-6s

Not at Vance. There have been a steady stream of CRs for months, and not too many have recovered back into the pipeline.

17.7% wash out of T-6 2.5 syllabus. At KEND there have been a steady flow of CRs for months so I don’t doubt the number

Why? The 2.5 studs should be a better product since they show up to T-1 and T-38 with 30+ hours of additional air under their asses compared to 2.0

Historically only 1.5% of studs wash out of T-1s and 0.9% out of T-38s. So we are talking literal handfuls, maybe, of studs getting through who otherwise might not. Except the T-6 syllabus now has more training requirements and 50% more flying hours, raising the attrition rate from 9% to 17% in Phase II.

I'm not sure about this class specifically. 6 went T-1 and 6 went T-38. I'm sure some were pushed forward and some were washed back. I know class sizes went up to 30 for subsequent UPT 2.5 classes, the first of which should drop in the next few weeks.

Vance 21-11 T-1 T-6 FAIP C-17 EC-130H AC-130J C-130J U-28

130 and U-28 folks are the only two platforms that can accept T-6 only right now. However at Vance the first 2.5 class will still track T-38/T-1. Also fun fact the last T-6 2.0 flight at Vance took place yesterday. To answer the OP, he'll go to Vance or Randolph.

I’m curious as to why they wouldn’t like it either. Only one check ride and they can use spare rides from Trans to use on Form if they need. Maybe they don’t like the early access academics.

It’s not segregation or minority-only, it’s integrating more minorities to more accurately reflect national diversity rates. The only downside is that it’ll push a few white dudes back a few classes. Also it’s a standard UPT class (or 2.5 class if at Vance) so if they wash then there’s no second chance.

They’ll probably live life in the squadron as a minority like they live most of their lives as a minority. I imagine no change, but I’m not a minority so I couldn’t say for certain

Gen. Mills said the rationale essentially is that UPT is tough and requires the class to work together and that when you’re the one minority in a class full of white guys, it may be somewhat more difficult to reach out for help when you need it when the people you reach out to aren’t like you. He worded it a lot better but that is the gist of the idea. He also admitted that it will naturally negatively affect the diversity of future classes but they are looking to see if there is a measurable effect on washout rates for minority students. I don’t think it’s a bad idea to try FWIW