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Gotta blame it on somethin......

Been a lot of Class A mishaps in AETC this year. Too many

Senior AF leadership hatching the hands program....

I would disagree that a 365 buried in the middle made all the difference in getting you over the hump...congrats btw! Certainly it adds good ammo and can only help, but what I see are very solid strats and the highly important “if I had one more DP”. At the end of the day it always comes down to strats and push lines. Getting that push line when you didn’t get a DP is huge.

^ this exactly. Cant tell you how many bros I’ve known who deployed their asses off and it was never going to make any difference in their long term careers. Like pawnman said, look around at 0-6s. There are many with a good bit of deployment history and there are many with extremely little. Do deployments matter? Absolutely. Do they matter when it comes to promotions? It’s a box to check but it will not make you promotable if you weren’t already.

I’ll repeat myself...I’m not saying a board doesn’t value your combat time. They do. What I’m saying is don’t think that your combat time is what’s going to get you promoted, or not promoted for that matter. You’re absolutely right, it does paint a picture but it’s a picture that thousands of your peers are also painting around the AF. What a board values and what will set you apart from your peers is leadership, period. Simply deploying for XX days or having ### hours of combat time does not = leadership in the eyes of the AF. It’s almost like being the best pilot in your unit or wing....no board will ever see your FEF. Yes, they see combat experience in your paperwork (and yes they want to see it) but that alone doesn’t equal leadership to them. Deployment experience is checking a box when it comes to a board (with my previously stated exceptions). Not at all saying it isn’t valuable, or that I agree with it, I’m saying all of us should have eyes wide open and no illusions about what really matters when it comes to promotions and your career.

Boards don’t care about combat hours, it’s just expected you’re doing it. A deployed leadership billet and/or Joint experience, absolutely matters to a board. It’s not that they don’t value combat time, it’s just that most flying communities/flyers have no problem accumulating those hours. In a board’s view, combat time in and of itself, is not a demonstration of leadership or a predictor for its potential. Which IS what they care about.

^exactly Stuff in the Middle East couldn’t be further from the minds of typical Americans. My assumption is most politicians (and honestly prob many generals) are more than happy to keep their “wars” by in large out of the public eye. Status quo and keeping the machine rolling is much easier that way.

High G or not, it doesn’t matter. A mechanical movement will never be as accurate as a quartz, they all slowly drift. But, you don’t buy mechanicals for their accuracy. And no, ones that update via radio signal are not mechanicals.

Yes, along with raising the dead engine.

In my mind you try to win a war. There is no timeline. When all you’re doing is maintaining the status quo...I’m not sure what the hell you call that.

Very valuable comment bro Last I checked the FAA aren’t the ones who train you to pass an ATP practical. But what do I know

Does anyone have any recommendations/experience with somewhere in Oklahoma to do the practical?

^checks They give you the guide and you sit down with legal, EO, whoever else that’s applicable. You work close with those folks to make sure you’re staying in your lane and using the governing AFIs specific to what you’re dealing with. They review your report before you ever present it to the cc. The cc then decides what to do or not to do. End of the day you’re gathering facts and presenting it. It’s not that cosmic and it’s not something done recklessly.

^that checks Keeping pilots = the real issue Not simply producing them. They just need to make UPT a 20 yr ADSC and problem solved! Then they don’t have to address anything else they’re doing that’s causing folks to leave. (enter sarcasm)

That’ll be my plan...ready to hit submit soon as I get the word Good thing I’ll have time to get my Delta TS/SCI investigation, oh I mean application ready!

Thanks for the info and congrats on the new job! That’s killer Good point on the GI Bill. Haven’t transferred it yet but I’ll def check into it before I do. How far out did you get your application submitted so that you got the job while still on terminal? What’s a reasonable time to expect from submission to interview/ offer? Apologies I’m not asking this in the Airline thread but...I’m being lazy and killing two birds

Thanks to everyone for all the good feedback

Branch ADSCs?

Does anyone have direct experience or knowledge with turning down continuation when you’re passed over twice? Ive read through 36-2501 and 36-3207. Also read through recent continuation paperwork a friend received and in there it spells out that if you decline continuation you’ll separate 6 months after the board results were approved. What I’m trying to figure out is what (if any) ADSC could keep you in at that point. His paperwork mentioned an ADSC for some kind of medical training, which doesn’t apply, then goes on to talk specifically about ACP (the bonus). It says they’ll recoup any unused portion that you took and haven’t served out, which makes sense. I’m just trying to figure out if there’s any other kind of ADSC that could keep you in at that point. Apparently you’ll owe some bonus $$ back, potentially a lot if you took a lump sum, or just a prorated amount for the year, assuming you’re only taking annual installments. So say you took the 20 year aviation service bonus w/ no lump sum, just annual payments, they would release you from the 20 years and you’d then just owe a prorated amount for that year of your separation. Does that check? Does anyone know if there’s any other ADSC that could still keep you around? i.e. for a PCS, training, etc. I tried to call AFPC today but no luck yet. If I’m reading this right it sounds like if you refuse continuance it’s kind of a get out of jail (almost free) card for any ADSC you have at that point. Other thoughts or experience is greatly appreciated

^first thing I thought absolutely stupid. Too many bad things can come of that

Thank you

Please do explain. Or are you just referring to AGR?

^ ive always wondered about this. I’m sure there’s a reason they went to SUPT years ago but seems if everyone went through the same track it would allow more flexibility down the road vs the current system