Pooter
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You're right, it's a strategy. Just a really, wildly, alarmingly bad one. Maybe trumpers will begin to realize the damage they've done if the Georgia republicans lose tonight. Incumbents are generally favored to win runoffs but trump's post election buffoonery has galvanized democrat voters to the point that what should be very winnable races are now a toss up. The shortsightedness is just astounding. "Oh I have a good idea! Let's gamble senate control, while simultaneously ruining election confidence and our own credibility, while also irreparably splitting the party.. to hitch the wagons to a guy who's gonna be politically irrelevant/dead of a heart attack in 1-5 years, and he wasn't even really a republican in the first place. What could possibly go wrong."
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Also I'm getting genuinely excited that we might see trump dragged out of office. If he doesn't concede after the ratification tomorrow I think the the time for him to escape this with any level of self respect has come and gone. Could be a very fun start to 2021
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I don't think there's any strategy at all. They lost, they know they lost, so they're defensively lashing out in all directions. I love pointing out how the democrats are being idiots when they do things that are logically inconsistent or harmful to their own cause, but republicans are putting on a spectacular display of the same thing right now. The fact that trump bandwagoners can't see that he is taking their own party to a very unproductive place blows my mind. It used to be nice being on the right because I could reasonably tell myself that republicans generally stick to some core values and respect our institutions. Lol not anymore.
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I cannot stress this enough: Polls about how people 'feel' do not constitute evidence of voter fraud. If you would like to have a conversation about generalized election mistrust we can do that.
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No one ever said what he revealed wasn't important. The problem was that he didn't do it through existing whistleblower channels endangering completely unrelated US assets in the process.
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It shouldn't be this easy to call something like this two weeks in advance. Just waiting on Rudy now for my "normal administration turnover" bingo card.
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It's pretty entertaining to watch you think that any part of this was factual, relevant, or clever. History is not going to look kindly on trumpers like you who insist on clinging to their alternate reality. But history books are written by aCaDeMic LiBTarDs anyways so who cares what they think amirite?!!!
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Here's a wild suggestion: the sitting president of the United States could refrain from pushing conspiracy nonsense all day every day. It won't solve the problem completely, but trump conceding and working for a smooth transition would go a long way towards shutting up both CNN and the proud boys.
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I've had a lot of time to think about the points you brought up... mainly because they're an almost perfect transcript of the last month of the Ben Shapiro show. So while we're at it let's invoke another Shapiro-ism: two things can be true at once. Thing 1: The mainstream media is biased garbage. Thing 2: Republicans think the election was stolen because that's what their unhinged leadership is feeding them. So yes, I blame republicans for their reaction. I blame them for being stupid enough to accept giant conspiracy claims without adequate evidence. I blame them for latching onto a dangerous narrative that could undo our entire system. And I blame trump for peddling this nonsense 25 times daily on his Twitter feed. I'm not saying the left wouldn't be doing this if they lost. And we can go round and round until the end of time arguing over whether democrats or republicans ruined political discourse first. The bottom line here is we have a sitting president acting like a toddler who had their toy taken away, and half the country is enabling the tantrum.
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Aaaaand now Rudy has covid. Not gonna lie I'm kind of bummed because him being sidelined greatly reduces the chance that trump will fulfill my prediction and fire him before this is all over. It does make you wonder though.. how many other people did Rudy infect as he bounced around the country flagrantly disregarding covid guidelines. Maybe this will finally be the moment where die hard right wingers realize the Trump/Giuliani clown show is detrimental to their own side. It's okay guys, some people are just slow to catch on... It only took them trying to undermine our entire election system while simultaneously infecting state and local republicans with a deadly disease through pure negligence.
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Barr will probably just be the next one in the administration to get canned like the last trump nominee who said the election was generally secure. You know.. as part of the completely normal administration turnover.
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You're right I probably wouldn't invest in fraud in New York and Cali.. but I certainly would in Texas and Florida. Both of which trump won narrowly, and since he won, their vote counts were of course super duper perfect and secure. It sounds stupid because it is stupid. This is my whole point. If you, a sitting president with any integrity whatsoever, were concerned about widespread fraud and our overall election tampering, you would be investigating it everywhere. Crying fraud only in the states where you narrowly lost looks an awful lot like slinging poop and hoping some of it sticks. And maybe it looks like that because that's exactly what it is.
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Riddle me this with your incredible critical thinking skills: if this nefarious fraud was so widespread, why does it seem to be perfectly constrained to the close margin states in which trump has a vote deficit?
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I'll tell you exactly what you're doing. You continuously and non-commitally allude to massive election fraud somewhere in the ether, and then when anyone challenges you on any detail you immediately retreat to "that's not what I was saying" semantic bs. Here's a crazy idea to try: make a concrete claim, and then support it with evidence. The trump legal team could probably use that advice too.
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@torqued "we" know exactly what you're trying to do. We've been watching you embarrass yourself for weeks with comically flimsy election fraud claims. It's also why you posted verbiage from a Pennsylvania house resolution written by the fringe of their right wing, which was not passed, or even voted on. "House Republican leaders, however, declined to grant extra time in order to consider the proposed resolution. The legislative session ended Monday, as scheduled."
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So what exactly does this video prove? Are we just throwing up spider charts of how servers work and saying because something is on the internet it could hypothetically be hacked... The question isn't whether a system can be hacked. Of course it can. The question is WAS it hacked. This has been the crux of the entire debate for weeks now: If you want to disenfranchise millions of voters you need to provide tangible evidence that large scale election interference/hacking/fraud actually occurred. And I'm not sure where the evidence for that Venmo claim is. Nowhere in that video did he discuss dominion or Venmo's actual security measures. Meanwhile you have Rudy in the background extrapolating ad infinitum the most bonkers conclusions possible. Because dominion is on the internet->Frankfurt->hackers are on the internet->the democrats changed votes->NAZIS!! This is why you need to be careful about where you get your news.
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@FLEA 1300 proven single instances of fraud is still not even close to what you need to influence the overall outcome of an election. The closest swing state in this election has 10 times that margin. And to swing the whole election you'd need fraud at least 2-3 orders of magnitude greater. No one is disagreeing with you that people suck and sometimes commit fraud. But you need real evidence that the fraud is similar in scale to the margin of victory if you want to throw out an election or declare the system a lost cause. So far, that evidence does not exist. You don't have it, and the trump legal team definitely doesn't have it or we would have seen it by now.
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Oh no! But what about the kraken of voter fraud evidence she was going to release?! I was reliably informed that it was going to be biblical... And in literally the least shocking turn of events of all time, it turned out to be a bunch of hot air. Now that the grandiose communist conspiracy angle is dead, its gonna be fun to watch our little parade of baseops trumpers revise their public mental gymnastics to contrive new scenarios where trump is somehow still in this. In the end, I think this situation is the best we could have hoped for. Trump was never going to concede so the only question was whether he'd mount a competent legal case, or a clown show. If his team actually had their legal and public messaging act together it would be far more dangerous, because they might succeed in undermining confidence in our elections. Luckily, we got the clown show and it's such a severe one it's actually turning off fence sitters and most of the moderate right. Prediction time: before the end of this train wreck, I predict trump fires Rudy too. But don't worry guys, it's just normal administration turnover.
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A court case that actually alleges fraud, which is then successfully prosecuted to completion. Like we've had in literally every election in modern history. This isn't complicated. After that it's just a numbers game. Find me 10,000 of those cases and we can start talking about throwing out the vote in Georgia. Find me a few million more in other states and then we can talk about a total election mulligan.
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I'm not a legal expert but a good start might be the trump team having enough confidence in their own supposed evidence to actually file fraud allegations in court.
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The final certified margin between bush and gore in Florida was 537 votes. Gore didn't concede immediately because a state with enough electors to swing the entire election was hanging in the balance by a margin of a few hundred votes. When the legally mandated Florida recount proceedings finished, gore conceded. In contrast, Trump is behind by 10,000+ votes in the closest states. None of which are large enough on their own to change the overall election outcome. It's only a double standard if the situations are actually similar. Which they aren't.
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@torqued perhaps he's losing interest because you're playing stupid semantic games: acknowledging the existence of isolated cases of voter fraud is very different from saying the entire system is compromised. This is really quite simple. We don't throw out nationwide elections for 1 case of fraud, or 100, or 1000. If you want the election results invalidated, then prove (with concrete evidence) that fraud happened on large enough scale that it would have changed the outcome. If you need concrete numbers to hang your hat on, this would mean you need to show fraud numbers in the tens of thousands (for the close states) and fraud numbers in the hundreds of thousands to millions everywhere else. But we know you can't do that, and neither can the group of accidental comedians trump calls his legal team.
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Bottom line: extraordinary allegations require extraordinary evidence. If you're going to claim a nationwide voter fraud conspiracy, you're gonna need to do a hell of a lot better than stream-of-consciousness rants from Rudy Giuliani. You're also going to have to answer why the trump camp isn't actually alleging fraud in the court cases even though they won't stop talking about it in pressers. There is a complete mismatch between their public messaging and the court filings. (It's almost like they're completely aware they're full of s***)
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These Rudy press conferences just keep getting better. First four seasons total landscaping and now he's got an oil slick running down the side of his face. This stuff is high comedy and that's before we even get to what he said in the press conference. Today the legal team was supposed to "release the kraken" in terms of fraud evidence. Turns out "the kraken" is just Rudy waving more random affidavits around and telling us he can't show them to us... because people might get doxxed. I wonder if the trump legal team has ever heard of redacting names from a document. Maybe that wasn't a known technique the last time Rudy was in a courtroom three decades ago. It's amazing to see how many people are still clinging to this sinking ship, but I guess that's the magic of internet anonymity. It lets you have all the fun of contrarianism without any of the embarrassment of being personally associated with this absolute clown show.
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As long as you're upset about it, I can rest assured we're making some amount of sense.
