Pooter
-
Posts
660 -
Joined
-
Last visited
-
Days Won
34
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Gallery
Blogs
Downloads
Wiki
Everything posted by Pooter
-
Riddle me this with your incredible critical thinking skills: if this nefarious fraud was so widespread, why does it seem to be perfectly constrained to the close margin states in which trump has a vote deficit?
-
I'll tell you exactly what you're doing. You continuously and non-commitally allude to massive election fraud somewhere in the ether, and then when anyone challenges you on any detail you immediately retreat to "that's not what I was saying" semantic bs. Here's a crazy idea to try: make a concrete claim, and then support it with evidence. The trump legal team could probably use that advice too.
-
@torqued "we" know exactly what you're trying to do. We've been watching you embarrass yourself for weeks with comically flimsy election fraud claims. It's also why you posted verbiage from a Pennsylvania house resolution written by the fringe of their right wing, which was not passed, or even voted on. "House Republican leaders, however, declined to grant extra time in order to consider the proposed resolution. The legislative session ended Monday, as scheduled."
-
So what exactly does this video prove? Are we just throwing up spider charts of how servers work and saying because something is on the internet it could hypothetically be hacked... The question isn't whether a system can be hacked. Of course it can. The question is WAS it hacked. This has been the crux of the entire debate for weeks now: If you want to disenfranchise millions of voters you need to provide tangible evidence that large scale election interference/hacking/fraud actually occurred. And I'm not sure where the evidence for that Venmo claim is. Nowhere in that video did he discuss dominion or Venmo's actual security measures. Meanwhile you have Rudy in the background extrapolating ad infinitum the most bonkers conclusions possible. Because dominion is on the internet->Frankfurt->hackers are on the internet->the democrats changed votes->NAZIS!! This is why you need to be careful about where you get your news.
-
@FLEA 1300 proven single instances of fraud is still not even close to what you need to influence the overall outcome of an election. The closest swing state in this election has 10 times that margin. And to swing the whole election you'd need fraud at least 2-3 orders of magnitude greater. No one is disagreeing with you that people suck and sometimes commit fraud. But you need real evidence that the fraud is similar in scale to the margin of victory if you want to throw out an election or declare the system a lost cause. So far, that evidence does not exist. You don't have it, and the trump legal team definitely doesn't have it or we would have seen it by now.
-
Oh no! But what about the kraken of voter fraud evidence she was going to release?! I was reliably informed that it was going to be biblical... And in literally the least shocking turn of events of all time, it turned out to be a bunch of hot air. Now that the grandiose communist conspiracy angle is dead, its gonna be fun to watch our little parade of baseops trumpers revise their public mental gymnastics to contrive new scenarios where trump is somehow still in this. In the end, I think this situation is the best we could have hoped for. Trump was never going to concede so the only question was whether he'd mount a competent legal case, or a clown show. If his team actually had their legal and public messaging act together it would be far more dangerous, because they might succeed in undermining confidence in our elections. Luckily, we got the clown show and it's such a severe one it's actually turning off fence sitters and most of the moderate right. Prediction time: before the end of this train wreck, I predict trump fires Rudy too. But don't worry guys, it's just normal administration turnover.
-
A court case that actually alleges fraud, which is then successfully prosecuted to completion. Like we've had in literally every election in modern history. This isn't complicated. After that it's just a numbers game. Find me 10,000 of those cases and we can start talking about throwing out the vote in Georgia. Find me a few million more in other states and then we can talk about a total election mulligan.
-
I'm not a legal expert but a good start might be the trump team having enough confidence in their own supposed evidence to actually file fraud allegations in court.
-
The final certified margin between bush and gore in Florida was 537 votes. Gore didn't concede immediately because a state with enough electors to swing the entire election was hanging in the balance by a margin of a few hundred votes. When the legally mandated Florida recount proceedings finished, gore conceded. In contrast, Trump is behind by 10,000+ votes in the closest states. None of which are large enough on their own to change the overall election outcome. It's only a double standard if the situations are actually similar. Which they aren't.
-
@torqued perhaps he's losing interest because you're playing stupid semantic games: acknowledging the existence of isolated cases of voter fraud is very different from saying the entire system is compromised. This is really quite simple. We don't throw out nationwide elections for 1 case of fraud, or 100, or 1000. If you want the election results invalidated, then prove (with concrete evidence) that fraud happened on large enough scale that it would have changed the outcome. If you need concrete numbers to hang your hat on, this would mean you need to show fraud numbers in the tens of thousands (for the close states) and fraud numbers in the hundreds of thousands to millions everywhere else. But we know you can't do that, and neither can the group of accidental comedians trump calls his legal team.
-
Bottom line: extraordinary allegations require extraordinary evidence. If you're going to claim a nationwide voter fraud conspiracy, you're gonna need to do a hell of a lot better than stream-of-consciousness rants from Rudy Giuliani. You're also going to have to answer why the trump camp isn't actually alleging fraud in the court cases even though they won't stop talking about it in pressers. There is a complete mismatch between their public messaging and the court filings. (It's almost like they're completely aware they're full of s***)
-
These Rudy press conferences just keep getting better. First four seasons total landscaping and now he's got an oil slick running down the side of his face. This stuff is high comedy and that's before we even get to what he said in the press conference. Today the legal team was supposed to "release the kraken" in terms of fraud evidence. Turns out "the kraken" is just Rudy waving more random affidavits around and telling us he can't show them to us... because people might get doxxed. I wonder if the trump legal team has ever heard of redacting names from a document. Maybe that wasn't a known technique the last time Rudy was in a courtroom three decades ago. It's amazing to see how many people are still clinging to this sinking ship, but I guess that's the magic of internet anonymity. It lets you have all the fun of contrarianism without any of the embarrassment of being personally associated with this absolute clown show.
-
As long as you're upset about it, I can rest assured we're making some amount of sense.
-
Never said he's a blundering idiot. He's world-class at many things including: being a shyster used-car salesman, a self-aggrandizing branding expert, and an incredibly popular TV personality. Unfortunately none of those qualities translate well into leading a country.
-
"you can only get this quality of steak in my resorts and america's finest restaurants" ... and literally any butcher shop, medium to high end grocery store, any other mail order steak service, costco or sams club. Wasn't it a wonderful world back when his substance-less bloviating was limited to nonsense claims about meat quality
-
If you think trump has exhibited anything resembling good leadership during his tenure, you are not a serious person. There are some pro-trump arguments I can buy: you like him on policy, or because he's a middle finger troll to the radical left, but good leadership is not one of them. On the topic of administration turnover: -yes every administration has turnover -no it isn't inherently a bad thing -no it isn't surprising the "you're fired" guy has fired a lot of people I just wonder how trump supporters justify the scathing criticisms coming from high profile resignees like Mattis. 10 minutes ago Mattis was the most respected military leader in a generation and proof positive that trump was putting an incredible team together. But when he says trump is an incompetent egomaniac who's impossible to work with, it's chaffed off with incredible ease.
-
Oof that was a rough debrief
-
All valid puts, but I still maintain that the left hates the electoral college simply because it doesn't benefit them. See my comment on political opportunism. You're arguing on principle, but if we applied that principle evenly, why don't they have a problem with Rhode Island, Vermont, and Connecticut electors or the senate in general? Is every not perfectly representational part of our government bad or just the parts that don't currently benefit the left?
-
I'm inclined to agree with you, but let's be honest with ourselves here. In an alternate reality, if big cities skewed heavily republican, you and I both know the right would be railing against the electoral college as un-democratic. This is the most annoying part of politics to me: anyone that pretends that either party actually has principles. Pragmatic opportunism drives 100% of politics.
-
It's almost like we aren't a true democracy.. by design.
-
You're gonna need a lot more affidavits from election worker randos to convince me that election fraud is the root cause of trump losing virtually every swing state up for grabs and the popular vote by 6-9 million. You can't take "eyewitness" anecdotes from one district and extrapolate that into a broader fraud narrative in an election where 150 million people voted.
-
According to polling data, a majority of democrats thought the 2016 election was fraudulent while a majority of republicans thought it was fair. Now a majority of republicans think the 2020 election was fraudulent and democrats think it was fair. So you tell me what's more likely: Option A: Widespread fraud exists and did a perfect 180 pivot in 4 years. Option B: people tend to bitch, moan, and complain when they lose.
-
Pretty much nothing will change for my day to day life under Biden. I don't believe that any president has much of an impact on anyone's daily life at a policy level. But I won't have to do daily mental gymnastics to justify the stream of consciousness Twitter rantings of an egotistical asshat so there's that.
-
I think trumps tantrums grow more severe and indefensible by the minute. The man has never lost at anything, never been told "no," and as a result he will continue this classless flailing for as long as he can. It will accomplish nothing except turn off more moderate voters from republicans and delay conservatives from being able to take control of their party back.
-
Flyovers are excellent training and I don't care who you are or what you fly. Simply being able to be at a specific place at a specific time has more real world combat implications than any BFM larping you'd rather be doing.
