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1/3 of 72 people is pretty limited data…. so if I understand correctly, a PCR is good enough to count as a “case” but not natural immunity…? Why is a test result any more difficult to provide than a vax card?

Why did they not include any patient outcomes? We want to avoid hospitalization and death- that is the important thing, not total “cases”. I thought the purpose of the vaccine now was to reduce symptoms? PCR is not to be used as a stand alone diagnostic tool, yet it was: “* Case-patients were eligible for inclusion if initial infection occurred during March–December 2020, and a subsequent positive nucleic acid amplification or antigen test result was received during May–June 2021 (using date of specimen collection). Cases for analyses were restricted to persons aged ≥18 years at time of reinfection.” Placed have been forcing testing upon unvaccinated people much more than those vaccinated, so the total pool of positive PCR tests is likely much larger for the Unvaccinated group than the Vaccinated group. Maybe almost “2.58” times more, I don’t know, they forgot to put that in the study. Why is the CDC revoking approval of PCR in December? Notice that it did not mention the cycle threshold of the PCRs used in the study. also isn’t the vaccine aiming to achieve what survived natural infection would do, but with less risk?

Fair point, fair point DosXX! Though a lot of arguments for the vaccine have not been strictly health related (think “ I am doing my part to make sure the hospitals aren’t overrun”, “I want life to be back to normal, so I got the jab”), we will stick to only health related arguments for now. if someone has natural immunity for CV19 how does that person affect the health of others? If you don’t take your medicine mine won’t work? I genuinely don’t understand not trying to do a “got ya”.

sad thing is the force isn’t really hurt by the Kung flu with a IFR of %0.01 and that assuming you get it…. Assuming 1.3million troops total, your chances of death over the past 18 months from covid are approximately %0.00038. next year: mandatory bubble wrap during PT. Yehaw!

The same could be said in reverse. There are a lot of fat folks in the US. Also maybe you just “see” what you want to see in the world? Bottom line is fat people shouldn’t rely 100% on a leaky vaccine, nor a cloth mask to save them when the rona hits. Can we agree on that? Cloth masks may help, they might not. I have a difficult time believing the actually work since the holes are so large in a cloth mask including the gaping holes around your nose — Non-one way N95’s are a different story. Outcomes with all sickness including covid are not random- despite what the MSM would have you believe. Everyone can help themselves. Everyone can reduce their risks. CV19 and the last 2 years of media coverage (overblown imo, but if it bleeds it leads) should be wake up call to everyone of all ages to eat real food, mix in some weight lifting and/or aerobic exercise, supplement if needed and go outside. Then you happen to covid instead of the other way around. That I am against mandating that anyone to reduce their risk. Although it would help you be healthier, Would you be in favor of the government forcing you to eat real food? Forcing you to take particular supplements? (insert “Floride” argument- I got a well so go f yourself), Forced exercise? All of which could arguably reduce your risk of death from covid greater than a vaccine could. I wouldn’t want to live in that world. The arm of the federal government is going captain insano- and captain insano shows no mercy.

Stop spreading information- I mean misinformation. Those are 700,000 liars. Every. Last. One. Of. Em.

I’d like to see where a 10 month old vaccine was mandated by the federal government, or one that had almost no effect in children, or one that is not a sterilizing vaccine (sterilizing from the disease)…. I have plenty of friends who weren’t vaccinated and were able to attend public school. National vaccine mandates are the idea I am against and a free society would not have them. It’s all too heavy handed and denies natural immunity. If the vaccine is so great why wouldn’t people voluntarily take? Why would the government even have to force it on people? Or are they all too dumb and can’t interpret the data like the experts can?

I forgot that teachers, healthcare workers, airline travelers and the “couple” million of people you are missing are not “general population”. So you are for a sort-of mandate, which is totally different than a full mandate. What’s the difference between a nation wide mandate and requiring vaccination to travel? To go to school? To go to work? Less people will travel on airlines I guess? More vaccine fraud? More people will homeschool their kids? People will leave their jobs? The fact that you admittedly are “missing a couple” groups where the vaccine mandate “makes sense” is proof that your threshold is gray and if implemented will likely be determined by some person in an office building that doesn’t care about the individuals health nearly as much as that individual cares about theirs (or at least the individual ought to care). Bottom line is free countries don’t entertain this types of ideas. for the record, also against blow darts- though the blow dart scene from get smart comes to mind.

Pawn, you are a proving to be a beacon of hope this morning…..you are at the five yard line— now just use the same logic with COVID vaccines mandates.

… Two minutes of hate coming right up

2020 has given me a PhD in tyrannyspeak, I will translate: “the CV19 vaccine is like a seatbelt, but for your immune system. There ARE NO SAFTEY CONCERNS! Every case in VAERS is a lie. isn’t that great news? Do YoU uNeRstanD my nuanced analogy? plus, Our lord and savior, Boe Jiden, even said ”this is not about liberty”. The job of our government is to protect the citizens, not protect its citizens rights. In order for my shot to work— everyone needs to get one. Just give up your rights to bodily autonomy- I promise we won’t take any more of your rights away. Praise be to Fauci, praise be to Pfizer, help us clean the unvaxxed with our immune system seatbelts!” …or at least that’s what I’d imagine it would sound like…

Jesus help us— I mean Fauci help us. There is only one truth— the CV19 Vaccine. It is for EVERYONE. There are only two groups in this world, the vaccinated (pure) and the unaxxed (unclean). There is only one way to save lives!

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html where you getting your nearly 6-9 R0? I seeing 2-4 from the site above, but that might be old info.

Lest we forget the summary of all 105 pages in one paragraph. @busdriver Here is to another 105🍻 lol

Are there only two groups in the discussion? Unvaxed vs vaxed? How about children? How about previously infected people? How about people sub 40 who are healthy?Isn’t it weird how every issue boils down to one group vs the other— almost like the media is fueling division… The infection fatality ratio for children under 12 is 3500X less than those 65 plus according to CDCs best estimates https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html it just seems a little simplistic to boil it down to two group. Also we know the long term risk of smoking, do we know the long term risk of covid or the vaccine? No.

Why isn’t your standard 8 months with a technology that has not been tested in humans? With reported events like this?

@lumberjacka look at the T-detect test to detect Tcell immunity. @FLEA just pipe down and hop on the mandate train. Covid vaccines are just as black and white as polio vaccines and seat belts!!

Seat belt ≠ covid vaccine. See openvaers. this is a thread about covid not seat belts.

Person against a particular vaccine mandate ≈ person against seatbelts = brains on highway! Brilliant!

Everyone knows that because you are against this particular government vaccine mandate therefore you are against all government mandates therefore you are against stop signs and therefore are against wearing your uniform and therefore you are against PT tests. Also you are for drunk driving— how do you sleep at night? (Like how I connected the dots there?) So sit down, shut up and hand over your freedom to choose what you put in your body like a good boy. Happy Friday Mothaa

Stop being so conspiratorial and anti-science, everyone knows big pharma has our best interest in mind… Hail Fauci, praise Pfizer, and help us @pawnman! Thank God they have come to rescue us from us. edit: added authoritarian representative @pawnman

So until the solution is as bad as the problem, only then will you be open to looking into possible risks of the solution? How is that reasonable? People should know all the risks of CV19 and all the risks of the potential solution. I’m not suggesting taking VAERS completely at face value. To draw an analogy, sexual assault is largely self reported. Are victims always telling the truth? some guys at Duke would beg to differ. But every self reported sexual assault case should be given due diligence. Bottom line, VAERS data needs to be given due diligence and to my knowledge it hasn’t. I could be wrong though… (Pawnman isn’t that tough to say?)

At what point is the “canary” dead? https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality

What about an explanation of that VAERS data? An explanatory document written by the FDA of the data reported AE to date? I would gladly share this with people who are on the fence but to date the only response I’ve got/articles I’ve just say correlation≠ causation. End of story. No deeper dive…? Also what about that natural immunity tho? Still on the search for evidence of benefit of vaccinating previously infected people. also why is the PCR test EUA being revoked in December? (Please no news articles.) How reliable are the PCR tests compared to Sanger DNA sequencing? Feels like the fence people are sitting on is legitimate no?

What about those previously infected with the Kung flu with TCell immunity confirmed with TDetect test? Where is the evidence of benefit from inoculation in previously infected patients? If there is evidence I’d love to see it! I want every pharmacological intervention to work but I am just am not convinced after reading all three EUA decision memorandums… this question needs answering and leaves millions of people on the fence….