DeltaMike17

#1 Grusch's biggest claim is that multiple people in high position approached him on the subject multiple times. That's it. I'm not discrediting him but he hasn't brought any tangible proof to the table. Only, "I know where it is", or, "I know a guy who knows about this." #2 Show me an actual body. Show me an actual spacecraft. Then tell me how that will help make rent go down where I live.

@filthy_liar Behold, an excellent and sarcastic answer by @VMFA187 Some valuable insight can be obtained here about flying for the Marines @VMFA187You can change CIA to Marines in this gif below lol

@BL_224@O Face@brabus Aight thanks for the help, just getting an Idea as I study for the AFOQT/ ASTB Also including volunteering hours, trying to develop more flight time along with my job, etc. etc. along the way Thanks, Really helpful answers

I'm a civilian interested in flying for the military. I'm also am a skeptic and I enjoy humor. The advertising for the military is always "join the X branch, slay the dragon etc. etc." "Join the Air Force, become the best, AIM HIGH. YOU CAN FLY THE F35 AND DO AWESOME STUFF ALL THE TIME" Yeah Yeah yeah, It's awesome to become a pilot. However, I know there's usually much more behind a job than just the official title and duties listed on paper. I'm an outsider looking in so browsing and engaging these forums help The point was to get an idea of everyday duties of being an Officer/ Pilot. For Example, @RegularJoe commented that In the USAF you're a powerpoint specialist. That's funny and I can see reasons why this is the case. Or in the Navy, I've heard they're Cleaning specialists first because "this damn ship keeps producing lint from it's ass" (E2 hawkeye pilot I met told me that). So you can get a lot of information from encouraging sarcastic responses

@brabus@O Face Aight last question: Is the PPL license I have really that much more competitive? Should I continue towards IFR ratings or just stop there if I'm interested in the military if I don't want the civilian flying to interfere with military training? I keep hearing that it's a "whole person concept" that the Pilot Selection Process is trying to determine out of you. However, the recent scores below kind of sound like the Air Force is really cherry picking their pilot candidates from the best Ivy league schools (and understandably so if I'm hearing that everyone and their mother is trying to get into the AF). This kind of question is reserved for the "What are my chances Forum" but I haven't taken the AFOQT yet so I might not be able determine the veracity of responses there. So, how "whole person" is the selection in your opinion? For example, my GPA is 3.15 in Bachelor of Arts. Compared to the 92T0 Average GPA of 3.71... Just trying to get an idea of whether I need to shape up my resume more or not

Fill in the blanks: "In the [insert Military Branch], you're actually a ______ first, then a pilot second" and give me a reason why this is the case I've seen it on multiple posts here and there, decided I may want to try to coalesce these answers all together under one. For example, marketing tells me that going Warrant Officer Army Pilot all you'll do is fly helicopters. I find this a little too good to be true as with any leadership position there comes a bevy of staff duties to fulfill. Like making sure the fridge is stocked. For example: In the Marines, you're actually a rifleman first, a pilot second. Because "oo-rah kill". So let's hear it! What additional jobs/ responsibilities are thrown on you as a leader of the fine US military?

@O Face Yeah I've done some soul searching since I posted this in November and decided I'd have a better chance at an Active Duty commitment and going thru with Needs of the Military. Of course I'll try to see some ANG/AFR positions when they come up but like I and you said: They are VERY competitive. Not the best kept secret anymore I guess. Questions for you if you know it: 1. Are contracts binding you to completion? For example, if I sign on to be a AD Helicopter pilot for the AF (10 years) can I transition to another Branch that flies helicopters halfway thru my contract (ie Army)? (Seems kind of obvious but just clarifying) 2. Have you've taken any of the Military Officer Tests? Or rather are you actively serving/ retired? May have follow up questions for you 3. Is there a cap on PCSM now? I've done a little digging and supposedly the new cap is "60 hours". Which is there to, "not deter anyone who cannot financially secure more flight hours away from recruitment" Thanks

@Chida@brabus@BL_224@O Face Thanks for the advice. I've been doing my research and my plan is in this order: 1. Study for AFOQT/ ASTB and take them Jan/ February 2023 2. Stay on the lookout for ANG/ AFR base applications that interest me (I've seen plenty already with very picky requirements, and these board meetings are few and far between till I take my tests) 3. Air Force is Choice 1, then Navy, then Army/ Marines. I would love to fly fixed wing but I'm open to flying anything that gives me a slot (Ex. I have a Bachelors degree but I'm not opposed to going to WOFT) The reason I'm interested in the Military: I have a PPL, but, I'm not interested in the Regionals/ Airline route. Everybody else is telling me to go Airlines and get paid 6 figures. However, it seems that only I know that 6 figure salary will happen after 10+ years of groveling for the next seniority slot. To me it looks like just chasing the paycheck until you grow old and die. I want to do something impactful for my country as well as develop as a character. I believe the military is the place for that. My parents were prior Air Force. I've got Aunts and Uncles in the Marines, Army, Navy, etc. Growing up I was young and naive and wanted to do Army Rangers right out of High school. Almost did Marines reserves but Mom said do college first. And so I listened and got my Bachelors. Got a PPL and discovered my passion for flying. However, I've had the negative opinions as well. I've had friends who went enlisted right after Highschool; Marines, MARSOC, 82nd Airborne, etc. When I asked them if it was worth it they all had a resounding F*%& NO, GO RESERVES OR OFFICER AND MAKE SURE IT'S THE AIR FORCE. So there's my stand on things to help shape them up And despite having lots of negative opinions, I'm still interested in flying for the military and serving my country. It's like a recurring itch that I just can't ignore any longer. I know this won't happen immediately and may as well take 2-3 years before I actually begin flying. By that time I would be 26/27 if I do get a pilot slot for whatever branch accepts me. I've contacted the Air Force but they literally take 5 days to answer a yes/no question. While the Navy recruiter was actually pretty responsive, same day texts. However, only the AIR FORCE is doing reserves. Every other branch is Active Duty. And that means 8-10 year contracts. Overall, I'm feeling adventurous about pursuing this path. However, I want to be well informed and choose the correct path for me. Also here's OCS grades for 2023, some information that I tried to scrounge around for to get an idea of things. I've not taken the AFOQT but these look insanely competitive. I'd suspect I'm average and probably won't meet such standards. But I've yet to take the test so we'll see

@O Face What part of the topic do you not believe me in? I realize there are some contradictions in the topic such as "I'm interested in serving my Country" and "I'm scared of the Needs of the Air Force". My belief in service to country may be questioned here. Just trying to do some soul searching because military is a career path I'm interested in. But, I don't want to just jump in head first without doing some research and discovering if this is the right path for me.

Was discussing on another forum about my chances of going the pilot Reserves route because I'm somewhat hesitant of going Active Duty and not getting a pilot slot (Needs of the Airforce). Was trying to get some feedback on what the general feel of the training pipeline, acceptance, etc. was like. Instead I got a bunch of "If you're afraid of the needs of the AF going Active Duty then you shouldn't even commission". "It's about being an Officer first, not being a pilot." "Reserves isn't here just to get you hours/ratings." Like damn, just trying to gauge the feel of getting a pilot slot thru reserves v AD because 1.) I love flying 2.) I'm interested in serving my country 3.) Reserves is marketed as the only place to actually get sponsored for a pilot slot, so why not go that route first? I know Reserves isn't just for hours/ratings I know before anything you're an Officer first and not your MOS in the military Am I in the right headspace if I'm reluctant of the Needs of the Air Force?