DirkDiggler

Took me a second to figure that out too. The pilots must have been sitting there asking for help for a least a full minute (maybe longer, didn't time it on the tower recording) after the crash.

Hope everybody got out, video looked like at least some of the emergency slides were deployed.

Epic!!

My former Gp had an approved acronyms guide we had to use when writing OPR/EPRs. You could only use a maximum of 5 that weren't on the approved guide. It made writing OPR/EPRs even more of a pain in the ass then usual but I could understand the logic. A lot of the things we do in AFSOC are pretty specific to the community; even other flying communities don't really know a lot of what we do. The idea was to make the OPR/EPR understandable by anyone sitting on a promotion board, regardless of background.

Supposedly this will happen when the overseas groups start to gain additional assets. That being said, I'm not holding my breath. What NSplayer mentioned above was correct as of 1-2 months ago. With the possibility of the sequester continuing for the foreseeable future, AFSOC is not going to continue to be exempt from cuts. There's a lot of COAs flying around command right now as to what's going to happen IRT platforms and locations, nothing is set in stone at the moment.

No doubt, really a unique experience. Two of the sim instructors for my MWS were aircrew on Operation Eagle Claw. Every time those guys would talk about that mission and the things they did I always thought it was really awesome and humbling to have been trained by and talked with some true AF legends.

https://us.cnn.com/2013/04/08/world/asia/koreas-tensions/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 And so it continues. I do find it amusing that the media continues to enjoy this constant "breaking news" saga.

Unfortunately this may answer the question but not solve the problem. Everyone in my chain of command has inferred/flat out said that even if Welsh masks the AAD for O-4 we should still get a masters. Its stupid but I understand where they're coming from; they think the next guy after Welsh will reinstate maters/O-4 and then a bunch of year groups will get burned. I just see it as evidence of how difficult it is to get an entrenched bureaucracy to change its course/midnset.

The Iron Maiden actually went away before that; a female airman at the 100th ARW got "offended" and complained. The rest hung around until like you said they all rotated back to the states.

We'll be lucky if the plane(s) is just dented. I've seen firsthand the results of guys trying to tactically employ the aircraft with absolutely no proficiency or experience. It ends with crashed aircraft and dead friends. Hopefully Congress unf*cks this before things get to that point.

Thanks for the responses, I really appreciate the info. I've done mutiple TDY enroutes to overseas locations but not from so this is kinda a learning experience in progress right now.

I do have a wife but since this is part of a PCS she'll be with me at my training location.

Thread revival. I'm getting ready to attend a 2-3 month training school TDY enroute during a PCS from an overseas base. I know my OHA and COLA go away, but I've read that there's a generic BAH rate (BAH RC or non-locality BAH?) that I would get until I show up at my new base. Any true to this, anyone have any experience with this?

We were briefed yesterday that one more incident will bring GO1, total lockdown where you're only allowed to travel between home and work. One of the other sqs in our group is on this total lockdown now cause they had a curfew violation this weekend. The locals were already fired up about the MV-22s arriving on island, these incidents are just added fuel to the fire.

https://www.wtvm.com/story/19785743/2012/10/10/retired-csm-basil-plumley-dies-fort-benning-mourns-loss Rest easy brother, 32 years of uniformed service then another 15 working at the Post Hospital, he served our country longer than I've been alive.

If you're in a deployed location why are they doing a ceremony? The new dude should show up and start working.

Read it today, was a pretty good read. Author seemed pretty humble and there were some pretty funny parts throughout.

I know there was an SIB, we got briefed on it at home station.

Butters thanks for the additional info. Hope the pilot gets cleared of this bullshit, seems like this sort of thing is becoming more prevalent across the AF lately.

So one guy was killed on the DZ and another went off DZ? Or was it the same dude? Either way I don't think the DZSO/DZCO has the authority to clear him back in; any sort of off DZ/injury to personnel means the airdrop is done for the day.

The short answer is yes; at a minimum you don't do another airdrop. AFI 13-217 covers AF DZ operations, directly out of the reg: 2.21.1 When an off DZ airdrop has been confirmed or suspected, the aircrew invovled will not attempt another drop for the remainder of the mission. In the case of an off DZ drop involving injury or death to personnel, the mission will be terminated and the aircraft will land as soon as possible. The pilot isn't being blamed/charged for this guy's death. Most DZ surveys include a blurb in the comments section that the user assumes responsibility for damage/injury to equipment and personnel. It seems like he's being charged for his actions/decision making process after the bad drop occured. I would say that this varies greatly by the unit involved. Army/AF units that jump all the time generally are much more realistic about the inherent dangers involved in kicking guys out the back of airplanes and will set realistic no shit limits with regards to the risk they're willing to accept with training drops. Units that jump once a semi to get their jump pay or guys that just don't jump that often, thats a whole different story (the casualty from this was a Guard SF dude, I'd be curious to know if he was an A company guy or a B company guy, either way he probably didn't jump very often). FWIW, I think the pilot is getting a raw deal, I agree with the above post that a Q-3/loss of cert and living with the knowledge would be punishment enough. Bad situation for everybody involved.

BBC just said the rescue operation has turned into a recovery operation; thoughts with our British brothers on this 4th.

Rest easy bros....

https://www.153aw.ang.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123308277 Do the Mods wanna change the thread title to C-130 crash? Really hoping to hear that the crew made it out ok.

Real glad to hear everyone got out alright and is doing ok.