Chida

This is a troll. Same guy who posts here and at APC with unbelievable scenarios. Remember putrid? Remember 3rd DUI? Same shit! New acct, same ol. Don’t respond to this guy. Don’t know why he gets jollies, but he does.

No, no issues. Yes, the waiver process was part of the package the recruiter put together to get me gained at the squadron that wanted to hire me. At the time, anyway (2012), it was required that the losing and gaining wing cc support the waiver request which was yea/nay at AFRC/A1. When AFRC said yes, the gain process began which took about 1.5 mos, but then the day of gain was backdated to the date the waiver was approved. For example Apr: ph interview with chief pilot. I was told to start the process and they would facilitate. I then went to the in-service AFRES recruiter. He did various things including submitting me for scroll May: Asked my losing WG cc for a letter stating his support for my continued service in the reserve. Jun: scroll signed by congress, I left regular and was commissioned reserve the next day (IRR) via Reserve Order Jul: AFRC approved hire package. Gaining wg cc had sent a letter also. MPF and ARPC started with their gain process Aug: Gain process finished, received position number backdated to Jul Sep: showed up to sq and started drilling/inprocessing/local indoc, etc Oct: started flying again

I had to “convince” my Wing commander to sign the waiver using my network. I didn’t know him, he didn’t know me so others (sq/cc, chief pilot, his execs) had to vouch for me. I haven’t heard one way or the other about others getting denied. The point of the waiver is to screen those that really shouldn’t serve anymore due to whatever (hard to work with, lazy, poor piloting skills, etc). The scroll and waiver are 2 independent processes.

True, I didn't think of that. So in that event, I'd recommend probably write the letter to get the 2nd FOS to a 99.9% certainty.

Assuming you will be twice failed of selection: 1. You can request an earlier DOS than the one they give you via Form 780. I'd recommend no less than 2 mos to give you time to outprocess. 2. If you are interested in ARC service, you must request a waiver in conjunction with getting a unit to hire you. The waiver (at least in the past) has to be signed off by the losing & gaining WG/CCs, then goes to NGB for ANG or AFRC HQ for AFRES. It can take a couple months, so you should lay the groundwork now with a unit and your ANG or Reserve ISR (in-service recruiter). When you obtain your DOS, have the recruiter immediately put you on the scroll to obtain a reserve commission as that process can take a while. 2a. There's a gotcha here. If you have a break in service between Reg and ARC, you will be ineligible for promotion until 365 days has elapsed as a reserve. You should do the "Palace Front" program. The ISR should know all about it, but the bottom line is that until you get a reserve commission via scroll, do not leave RegAF. 3. If you write a letter to the board which causes your 2nd non-selection, you will not get separation pay. If you eventually get a reserve retirement pension or VA disability payment, you would need to pay back separation pay anyway, so this may not be a big deal unless you need the money now. 4. Speaking of VA disability, if there are any issues you don't have adequately documented with the medical folks, now is the time to get it done. 5. Prepare for a civilian job. Charm school, suit, lose weight, resume, applications, logbook, mil to civilian certs, ATP, 1st class med, etc. All this takes loads of time.

Pancake: I hear you about being set on retirement, so this is for anybody else who might find himself in the same situation. Several options to keep your TIS ticking in USAFR if your present unit won’t let you “hang out” to get your TIG: 1. transfer to IRR—NNRPS. No guarantee this will work as ARPC seems to be heavily against the concept that IRR is actually a thing. Actually read a AFBCMR case where ARPC shamefully screwed a guy who tried it. Might be worth a try, though, if you’re unwilling to do more duty. 2. funeral honors duty as part of PIRR—I don’t know the mechanism for this. 3. Emergency Preparedness Liaison Officer. Cat B thru AFNORTH. 4. CAP-RAP Cat E or B 5. Admissions Liaison Officer Cat E 6. Selective Service System Cat B

Obvious: you could stay DSG for another yr, blow off the AT, then retire. I haven’t done the math on whether or not this would be worth it in the end to delay retired pay by a year.

What Scooter said above is the ticket. Even if you get a 2yr TIG waiver, the only effect will be what your ID card says (and your rank upon recall to the regular component, if that would actually happen). Your high-36 will be unchanged. The mechanism for the next higher rank is called converting your regular retirement to a reserve retirement at your reserve retired age. This will give you a bump in your high-36 calculation and gets you a promotion in the retired reserve. Gotchas: - Tricare Prime/Select at age 60: If, because you have a reduced retired pay age, you convert prior to age 60 you will lose Tricare until age 60. - To be eligible: You need a duration of 2 years' TR/DSG "service" (excludes all active duty such as AT, MPA, etc) after attaining 20 yrs TAFMS. I can only speculate how this would be calculated. For example, I'd guess that if you did 2 complete years of pure DSG service, that would include 30 days of AT, so you'd have to do 2 yrs and 30 days' duration. ARPC Convert Reg to Rsv retirement Text of the link: June 17, 2020 Converting active duty retirement to AFR, ANG retirement By Air Reserve Personnel Center Public Affairs Air Reserve Personnel Center Public Affairs BUCKLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Colorado – Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard members who have completed 20 years of total active federal military service, or TAFMS, are eligible for immediate pay and benefits upon retirement. However, for AFR or ANG members who further their careers in a traditional status and possibly accept a higher grade, these service members have the option to convert their active duty retirement to an AF Reserve retirement (applies to both AFR and ANG) in accordance with Title 10 USC 12731. In order to convert to an AF Reserve retirement at the highest grade/rank, members will have to complete a minimum of two years of satisfactory Air Reserve Component service, excluding active duty, after completion of 20 years of TAFMS. The excluded active duty service includes annual training, RPA, MPA, schools, and deployments. Additionally, ANG members are eligible to convert their active duty retirements to an AF Reserve retirement by completing one year of service in the position of adjutant general or assistant adjutant general. Note that just one year makes you eligible if your appointment is terminated in accordance with Title 32, Section 324(b). This is not an automatic application; members with enough active duty in their highest-held grade will need to apply for this benefit. HQ ARPC recommends service members who are approaching age 60 to apply three months ahead of their birthdays to convert to an ARC retirement and obtain a higher grade. APPLICATION PROCESS Service members must apply in writing for the conversion of their active duty retirement to an Air Force Reserve retirement by submitting the following request to HQ ARPC/DPTTR via myPers approximately three months prior to their 60th birthday or Reduced Retired Pay Age, or RRPA: “I___________________, do hereby apply to convert my Active Duty retired pay to Reserve retired pay under provision of Title 10, United States Code (U.S.C.), Section 12741, to be effective on____________, in the grade of _____________. I understand that my Active Duty retired pay will be terminated the day prior to the Reserve retired pay effective date.” HQ ARPC/DPTTR will audit the service member’s point credit summary to verify eligibility. If eligibility is confirmed, DPTTR will publish an AF Reserve (EL) retirement order. Finally, HQ ARPC/DPTTR will forward the appropriate pay package to DFAS New Accounts for pay adjustment. MEDICAL BENEFITS Medical coverage will begin on the anniversary of the service member’s 60th birthday. Members are responsible for ensuring they have adequate medical coverage for themselves and their families after the conversion. A service member who is eligible for medical benefits under their active duty retirement will no longer be eligible for the same benefits upon conversion to an ARC retirement until age 60. Eligibility for the TRICARE Prime medical benefits is age 60 under an ARC retirement regardless of RRPA date. RESERVE COMPONENT SURVIVOR BENEFIT PLAN (RCSBP) Service members eligible for an active duty retirement must make a Survivor Benefit Program election upon retirement. The RCSBP election on file in the service member’s personnel record will remain “as is”. Service members will not be afforded another opportunity to change that election upon conversion from an active duty retirement to an ARC retirement.

My experience as a TR asking for a TIG waiver 3 yrs ago: ARPC/AFPC does not entertain nor even forward up the chain unless they’re in a force drawdown. Typically in a force drawdown they will announce that they’ll consider TIG waivers. I don’t know if there is a mechanism to force ARPC to send up the chain. Might try networking/talking to Colonels.

This is true if it’s a state board. It is not true if it’s a national board. (The normal, every yr board at ARPC is the national (title 10) process. for ex: I met the normal, every year ARPC board in early 2019. Was selected and on the list by Aug. During my wait to pin on (and prior to ANG Fedrec) I transferred from ANG to AFRES in Nov. I was AFRES for about 5 mos, then pinned on Mar 2020

Since the TSP revamped the website not too long ago, there is only one way. Any reference to paper forms is old gouge. On the website home page: click "more" on the menu ribbon, then click "withdrawals and rollovers out" then go from there as it's fairly self-explanatory. There is no agent who will do (or can do) anything for you except step you thru the website. Your receiving agent can do nothing. TSP needs you to supply the account number and the address of where to send the check. Example of Fidelity IRA (found on Fidelity website): Fidelity ATTN Direct Rollovers PO BOX 770001 Cincinnati OH 45277-0037

I forgot to add the one gotcha I experienced and this may have been just me, but I suspect that it is a systemic issue, at least with ARPC, as evidenced by others on Reddit having the same: I retired from AFRES (IRR) and did their outprocessing checklists in all aspects. One month later, TSP website still showed me as "Active". The fix: ARPC needed to transmit to DFAS that I retired and failed to do so. I had to open a MyFSS ticket to cause ARPC finance people to do their jorb. They opened a CMS case with their people at DFAS and then they adjusted my status (for this particular system) to "retired." This info got transmitted to TSP about 2 weeks later and then I could start the TSP withdrawal process. Total evolution on this was 2 months.

My company’s Roth 401k doesn’t accept Roth money. Apparently they didn’t pay Fidelity for that option or somesuch. I had to transfer my Roth TSP to my Roth IRA. regardless, it’s all done online from the TSP website. Your receiving custodian will receive a mailed check from TSP. The only identifying information on the check is your name and account number at the receiving institution, so be sure those are filled out correctly on the TSP web form. Total evolution: 2 weeks. In my case I then had to buy something with the cash they deposited. A 401k will auto-buy whatever you have set up.

But can you get ATIS while hovering? That’s the tru test…

Lost in all the regAF land grabs and the ARC’s acquiescence is the basic concept of the reserve: you are a free citizen, regardless of the threats otherwise. OTOH, ARC is also free to kick yo shiz to Denver. I have observed that (in the ARC) corporate knowledge of the basic ARC mechanisms for dealing with wayward members has been forgotten in various tribes.