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Yeah, that's definitely not first-come, first-served...

I emailed AFPC via the vMPF link today to ask about the discrepancies across the PSDM's and to ask exactly what time the application window will open on the 6th or 7th. I got a credible response back last time, so hopefully it'll work this time too. FWIW....concerning the application window, I read a FAQ list that was forwarded to the Sq from our CC that listed the application window as 6 Feb.

Bullshit! I fly airplanes.

The copy of 13-130 that I just printed off of mypers has the 7th listed like you're talking about. It looks like a legitimate discrepancy.

PSDM 14-08 (VSP) says 6 Feb in a couple of places. Also, what time do they start accepting applications on the 6th/7th? They took the time to define 2359 CST as the cut-off for letters to the board, but nothing for the application window.

Has anyone gotten a credible suggestion to add more to the justification than what's required per the PSDM?

What verbiage are you going to cut and paste? I didn't see anything in the PSDM other than to include “I am requesting to separate under the Voluntary Separation Pay (VSP) Program” in the remarks section.

You know that's a joke, right? https://www.duffelblog.com/2014/01/leaked-army-memo/

Holy sh*t that's patriotic! I got in to build flight time. Thanks for making me feel like a communist. The AF has turned flying, something that man has dreamed of doing since we were wearing loin cloths and pointing at birds in the sky, and made it so unappealing that some people are willing to do anything to not have to do it anymore. It's impressive, really.

It's attachment 2 (pg13) in PSDM 13-130. It's also buried in another PSDM referenced in the normal early separation process on the mypers website if you care to dig for it.

I haven't seen the form or heard about an error, I just thought that since it's auto-generated, it would list your application date as the day you hit submit, not the day it travels through the wing. I wouldn't have thought twice about it had the AFPC guy not mentioned it out of the blue in my email response. You're right that logic probably won't apply here....

+1 to that. Wouldn't be surprised if the formula changes in the new PSDM though. Also FWIW... I asked AFPC a VSP question two days ago using the link on MyPers. The guy answered it referencing the unreleased PSDM and mentioned applying during the application window. If you haven't already submitted paperwork to be held at the Wg, it might be worth thinking about waiting until the application window officially opens to hit submit. It seems reasonable to me that they'd use your application date to determine eligibility vs the date your Wg/CC signs it. Probably a ridiculous detail, but why give them a reason to deny you?

Good on them for giving you guys a CC call to ask questions. That said, if you're 100% set on getting out, don't shy away from applying based on the opinion and public comments from a guy who has a vested interest in discouraging you from trying to leave. You're on the matrix and there's nothing in any unreleased memo about WG/CC approval being a determining factor in your application. Do what's best for you and your family, but you KNOW you won't be approved if you don't apply.

I saw that statement, but haven't seen any timeline besides what's on the VSP pp slide. If AFPC is processing in batches, it would follow that you should know if you're approved within 30 days. The batch process seems like a way to slow the flow of applicants so we don't all apply at 12:01 am. If it's a monthly timeline, I'm concerned about sq & wg processing times if the cc's get an approve/disapprove vote. Even if their votes don't matter, it's still an opportunity to get slow-rolled. Unlike Palace Chase, I didn't see a statement in this PDSM that says cc's must process applications in a timely manner. You'd think it wouldn't have to be included, but that's another conversation.

Great leadership. I can't believe anyone would want out of an organization like that. If you get push-back, call the IG. That's assuming you can take the purely coincidental shitty ranking that will follow.

Thanks. Like I said.... I think it has to do with the multiple 12's, TAFMS being 12 years, and me being an idiot.

Base pay = $5680 Math is hard.

Your formula gives the same 80k as the memo. Oh well, either way pays off the minivan.....

I'm ridiculously bad at math, but I get some pretty different numbers using these formulas vs the ones in the VSP memo. Your formula gives $96k, but plugging my numbers into the memo, I only get 80k. I think it has to do with the multiple 12's, TAFMS being 12 years, and me being an idiot. There's also a random division by 12 at the end of the example, but not in the text. WTF. The example 12 year Major gets $120k, so it seems like your number might be correct for me at 9.5 years TAFMS. Whatever. I'd get out for free, so this is just gravy. I SHOULD be surprised that something as simple as the payout formula would be convoluted, expecially considering this is a financially-motivated program. Either way, here's the text from the memo. Somebody smarter than me, please take a look. 2. The FY14 VSP program entitles FY14 RIF-eligible officers 1.25 the rate of full separation pay. Those officers non-selected for retention by the RIF board will be entitled to full separation pay at the standard rate. The formula for calculating full separation pay is as follows: member’s monthly base pay multiplied by 12, then multiplied by the years of total federal military service (TAFMS) and all whole months served over the total years, then multiplied by 10%. When computing total years of TAFMS, only use whole months. Whole months are calculated as fractions of 12 months. For instance, 12 years and three months equates to 12 and ¼ years. Multiply 12 and ¼ times 12 to produce the total whole months served, which equates to 147. Example (showing as DFAS calculates): A Major w/ 12 yrs and 3 months and 13 days of total active federal military service [($6540.60 monthly base pay) x 12 years x 147 ( total whole months served) x (10%)] divided by 12= $96,146.82 (RIF). For VSP, multiply by 1.25 = $120,183.52.

Good to know. I'm also on the hook for a 365, and the VSP window details weren't clear.

Thanks. Are 11Ms eligible?

I'm not in the office. Is that matrix just for TERA or all of the programs?

NNNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Man, that sucks.

That's no good. My boom operator's package was approved during this deployment and I'm putting in for it this week. If you get words from the IG, please pass them on.

Sorry I wasn't clear. The 365 taskings I'm concerned with are tasked by rank and crew qual. Get promoted....get off the list.