C-21.Pilot

Depends on what you want out of life. OG/CC or Airline Pilot You will quickly (2 yrs or so) be an IP in the C-21, and quickly log IP hours. If you find it quicker to make IP in your current MWS, then I would stay. Airlines care about IP hours, the AF cares about MWS IP hours. Your call.

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Is it only cool once?

I don't think this will make it that far, but the CSAF is engaged now....

1. Would I trade a $100K civilian job for the experiences, bro's, etc that I have the opportunity to encounter? ABSOLUTELY 2. Would I leave my $100K military pilot job for a $40K civilian job TODAY? ABSOLUETLY 3. Would I join the AF as a non-pilot? ABSOLUTELY NOT Bottom line, guys in our line of work are not after the money -- we want a quality of life and job satisfaction. As those things fade (as evident in the 2000+ posts mentioned above), guys will leave and seek greener pastures. Most of us have been in this game for 15+ years and have the Balad Hard Rock cafe t-shirts already.

White House petetion: https://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20140407/CAREERS/304070050/Early-retirement-revoked-some-airmen-leads-White-House-petition

So your saying that you like cocks?

^^ From someone who works at CENTCOM, that is bullshit. I promise. (Sarcasm meter was on)

Some kids are too young to remember....

That's a poor suggestion. I'm sure it means that they want to clarify/finish FY14. I'll speculate that the programs will continue to be open for the next 3-4 years, but the AF will manage their numbers more efficiently than what has gone on here.

Agree, there is no legal way that I can see that if you have served your 4 yr ADSC that it can be pulled..... Judge Wapner would have a field day.

If you guys are Facebook peeps, check out The Pilot Network group..... Lot's of guys with fresh perspectives, recent hires, etc all sharing great info. 90% are military pilots. https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThePilotNetwork/

Transfer it NOW.... You can always get it back in your name down the road.

Guess what I found today: The email for the SECAF.... The email for the CSAF....

I would recommend that you simply point them to the bantering on this forum (specifically the "What's Wrong with the AF" and the "2014 Force Management" as well as a few TC publishings.) From what I am taking away from my peers -- most CC's now days are staff conformist.I think the writing is already on the wall....we have senior leaders that some of our officers have little to no faith in giving leadership advice to pending OG/CC's. I think it's great perspective and I would love to be a fly on the wall. I would focus on the following: 1. People - obvioulsy our most prized interest. Take care of them, from the bottom to the top, and they will take care of you. Be vested in their concerns before you vest in your own. Understand that not everyone cares to be an O-6. 2. Process - what are we doing that can be done smarter. This reminds me of the flightsuit post that Tony made. No need to spell out the obvious. 3. Product - what is the end result? If your goal as an OG is to make an "excellent" on the UCI, then go fuck off. The end product should be tailored to the vision of the CSAF and that of the taxpayers.

First deployment?

Guys, Here is my $.02..... 1. Do NOT use the GI Bill to get your ATP -- unless you ABSOLUTELY have to. Try to save it for the family if you can eat the 4 yr ADSC. 2. For the entire training program, examiner fee, etc -- if you are quoted ANYTHING over $1800, then you are getting a raw deal. (see my previous post about using the guy in Memphis where I did the entire program for under $1500.). Throw in plane tickets and a hotel you are most likely still going to be under any program cost out there. see #4. 3. In fact, the way the GI Bill works is you fork over the money first, then you get reimbursed. 4. if you use the GI Bill, you MUST have a Class I flying physical (ranges around $125). If you don't use the VA, then your current 1042 will work. 5. The post 9-11 GI Bill will cover 100% of an ATP as long as it is part 141 certified (structured). if you go over the cap, then you pay that portion out of pocket. https://www.benefits.va.gov/gibill/flight_training.asp Once you read that, then try this: https://inquiry.vba.va.gov/weamspub/buildSearchInstitutionCriteria.do;jsessionid=qtMbSxQFpzyL7GpnQrtnNGv6G9CGQQvb2YqM9Cvw3vB2pv2lXhfJ!-1531379871 ** Make sure you click the middle drop down menu to "Flight" -- then go from there. For example, this pulled up for Downtown Aviation in Memphis: Address: Institution Name: DOWNTOWN AVIATION Abbreviated Name: DA Street: 2787 North Second Street City: Memphis State: TN Zip Code: 38127 Country: USA Phone: (901)353-9151 Web Address: List of Officials: Official Name Official Title Malcolm Jay King Certifying Official for Programs Mark Emmert Certifying Official for Programs Morris Ray Certifying Official for Programs This here is for Higher Power: Institution Name: HIGHER POWER AVIATION INC FLT Abbreviated Name: Street: 4001 AIRPORT FREEWAY STE 200 City: BEDFORD State: TX Zip Code: 76021 Country: USA Phone: (817)445-7000 Web Address: List of Officials: Official Name Official Title CAROLYN M ARMSTRONG Certifying Official for Programs JOE S POORE Certifying Official for Programs MARK A STERNS Certifying Official for Programs WAYNE SPARKS Certifying Official for Programs

Why so secretive -- why not simply post it here and let the Bro Network take effect?

Nevermind the DO -- where the ef is the SQ/CC?

And all this time folks thought CSAF was the Messiah....

I'd tell the dude to fuck off.

I'm here now, albeit a CENTCOM deployment. What do you want to know -- PM.

That's not what he's getting at, per se. He eluded to airmanship and situational awareness, both of which are attributes in the CAF and MAF world - but needed more quickly in the more demanding CAF world. The time and effort it would take to go from MAF to CAF isn't worth the risk of failure. Likewise, take a CAF guy and in minimal time in any MAF airframe you can get him spun up with very little risk of failure. You cannot take a C-17 EP and train him in 1 year how to effectively employ a Mudhen. Likewise, I could take Hacker and he could *easily* be an IP in the C-17 within a year.

Why anyone would pay nearly $3000 for that "experience" is beyond words. This is about the 10th person telling me that AA at KGTR does business this way. I understand the "need" to get it down, but geez -there are much better options out there folks both in price and in quality of program!

Try being his assigned C-21 IP..... Enough said. All I remember, and what really counts, is someone took a stinker in his helmet bag at Spang.