Guest KC10Boomer Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 I'm sure most everyone's heard the tape of the 16 guy in europe who crapped himself inflight. At the end of the tape he says to the pilot something like "burner and boards, talk to frankfurt first." I know what burners (ab) and boards (spd brk) are, but what does he mean using them both together? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by KC10Boomer: I know what burners (ab) and boards (spd brk) are, but what does he mean using them both together?It's a method to quickly burn down gas to an approriate landing weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KC10Boomer Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Thanks Hacker. I figured 8.0 was in the zone for the landing weight of a viper, externals notwithstanding, but I guess I was wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Originally posted by KC10Boomer: I figured 8.0 was in the zone for the landing weight of a viper, externals notwithstanding, but I guess I was wrongIn the Strike Eagle (which carries more gas on our internal tanks than the Viper does with externals...) our rule of thumb was to land with no more gas in thousands of pounds than you had thousands of feet of runway to land on. Since your average fighter base runway is around 8,000 feet, 8K was generally about the most we wanted to actually land with unless you wanted to worry about burning the brakes. I'm guessing that the Viper has ROTs that are similar, so hopefully somebody here can fill us in (sts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFM this Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 From a nubee's perspective: I just thought he was in a hurry to get back; IE burner to short final, boards to get configured, etc. Didn't think of it as a method to burn down extra gas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 So in the f-16's case it is more of a function of landing distance than Maximum Gross Landing Weight (not wanting to overstress the gear)???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaver Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 It's definitely a function of runway distance. With 8000lb of gas you'd be doing almost 200 knots on final. That makes it really tough to land the jet because it still flies really well going that fast and you'll float forever. Or, you'll force it onto the runway, bounce, then still float forever. If I had to get the jet on the ground, though, I'd land with 8000 lb. The landing distance isn't really that long (3600ft) but if I pooched it I'd use the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcola Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 Talking about the incident mentioned above, it's obvious from the recording that the backseater was the one with the problem. It also appears that they are in Germany, since at the end the backseater says "Talk to Frankfurt." I was under the impression that the only two seat F-16's are trainers, correct? I'm just wondering why there are trainers in Germany. Also, would the pilot in the back most likely be the instructor? If so, that would make the incident even more humiliating, especially since the person up front was laughing at him. The situation would be bad enough, but to have it happen to an IP on a training sortie, ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sully999 Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 F-16D models are not only used for training. When I was in Germany the base I was at had 4 of them. They are mainly used for instruction but also can be used otherwise, mainly for incentive flights. How else would flight docs get their flight time unless there were a few D models out there? Sometimes they do go empty though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Spike Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 Originally posted by wannafly: always kind of sounded like an incentive ride to me. Who knows.It sounded to me like the guy in the back seat had some authority during the flight.. A guy on an incentive ride wouldn't be working the radios or telling the front seater what to do with regard to power and who to talk to (Frankfurt). I figured it was an IP or another pilot.. :confused: I'd love to hear the full story on this (and the aftermath). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mambo Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 (edited) F-16 HUD tape Cannon AFB...while taxiing. Anybody know this guy? Edit: Updated file on page 2 Edited February 16, 2010 by Toro Referenced new file Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hoser Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 One of my favorite lines: "OK 2, where are you?" Kind of early in the flight for #1 to have LOSA on his wingmen. I'm guessing that he should be taxing behind lead, 150' staggerred. Cap-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter14 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Holy shit that's funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-15E WSO Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 "Twoop" "Poop" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJDRVR Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Don't these guys sound exactly like that two-seater crew in Germany who had the same problem? Is somebody putting us on here, or is this guy a serial pooper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaJu Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Love how 1 can't quit laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aflyer Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 "You're gonna have to make the call ... I can't stop laughing." Classic. Having camera rolling is truly priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RaptorKeeper Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Would that qualify for a renaming at the ops bar later that week? I'm thinking... yes. Not sure it's possible to live that down. Anyone know which unit that was? Who uses Race? (PM me please...) I got a bud that flies at cannon. Wonder if the dude is in his squadron. HAHAHA MAMBO that was awesome, thanks for that post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VL-16 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 That was priceless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 That sounds like Snooze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skipplet Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Originally posted by RaptorKeeper: Would that qualify for a renaming at the ops bar later that week? I'm thinking... yes.The video has "a case for hostile renameage" in the title. So this guy probably won't ever live this down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspec Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Friend just sent this to me... that is freakin' hilarious. I bet the guy gets a lot of shit for it... literally. ;P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 FWIW, this had to have happened about two years ago, if Snooze is the flight lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WILLIO Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 This is great... BORING BRIEFING MATERIAL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boson69 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 haha, i sent the link to my buddies for a little wednesday morning start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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