Gun Talk

[brabus]

I’m hoping they take the NFA to SCOTUS and they strike it down. It is a gross violation of the constitution and not that it should matter, but there is objectively no evidence it has accomplished anything it was supposedly created for. 

[RegularJoe]

Has anyone used a linear compensator?

 

Is it actually quieter?

Do you like it vs a normal muzzle break?

[disgruntledemployee]

I just got an In Stock email from Graffs for CCI M34 primers.  I put the request in when they went out of stock when Obama took office.  That was about 16 years ago!

[nunya]

Surprised you still check your America Online email!

[disgruntledemployee]

4 minutes ago, nunya said:

Surprised you still check your America Online email!

On my 28.8k dial up running Win 3.11.

[brabus]

1 hour ago, disgruntledemployee said:

On my 28.8k dial up running Win 3.11.

The good old days…”come on come on, fucking load! Mom will be home in 5 min!”

[Lord Ratner]

2 hours ago, brabus said:

The good old days…”come on come on, fucking load! Mom will be home in 5 min!”

I TOLD YOU NOT TO USE THE PHONE WHEN I'M CLEANING MY ROOM!!!1

[FourFans]

17 hours ago, nunya said:

Surprised you still check your America Online email!

...but does he still check his Compuserve account?

[Smokin]

Meanwhile, the young guys are googling to figure out what is being said here...

[brabus]

1 hour ago, Smokin said:

Meanwhile, the young guys are googling to figure out what is being said here...

The other day was talking to a young 20s guy about downloading music and explained how we used to use Napster (he never heard of it obviously) and his eyes about popped out of his cranium when I said sometimes it would take over a day to download one song, only to find out it was a bullshit radio edit! 

[FourFans]

Considering the Grand Power Stribog 45 ACP for a suppressed home defense gun.  Anyone with experience, thoughts or feedback?

https://grandpower.eu/products/product-categories/stribog-line/45acp-stribog-line/stribog-sp45/

[Lord Ratner]

2 hours ago, FourFans said:

Considering the Grand Power Stribog 45 ACP for a suppressed home defense gun.  Anyone with experience, thoughts or feedback?

https://grandpower.eu/products/product-categories/stribog-line/45acp-stribog-line/stribog-sp45/

Are you a big .45 guy? I'm not sure if the increased cost is justified by the ballistics. And there are a ton of cheaper (and really cool) 9mm PCCs. That being said, that's a sexy looking gun...

I saw a bunch of the super cheap bulpup shotguns on PSA and ended up getting a KSG410. The dual tubes capacity convinced me. Bird shot and buck shot in one gun, selectable? Neat.

 

I don't have anything in .410 and I'm not at all crazy about adding calibers to the collection, but I figure I'll need to get .410 eventually for when my kids learn to shoot, and as a home defence shotgun, the low recoil makes more sense for my wife. For $350 (plus taxes and fees) I figured it's worth a try. And it looks like a space gun 😂🤣

 

[nunya]

3 hours ago, FourFans said:

Considering the Grand Power Stribog 45 ACP for a suppressed home defense gun.  Anyone with experience, thoughts or feedback?

I tried the same concept, but with a CMMG Banshee - also a roller delayed blowback. The recoil was much more uncomfortable than I expected. It just wasn't fun to shoot. (It was also totally unreliable suppressed, but that's immaterial since you didn't ask about the Banshee.)

I instead went with a 9" BCM 300BO pistol and a suppressor shooting 190gr subsonics and I'm mucho happier. The ballistics are effectively identical to 45 ACP at get-the-f-out-of-my-house ranges and it shoots oh so sweet. I also added a Superlative adjustable gas block that only made it that much sweeter with subs.

I love my 45 handguns. I'm waiting on a G30.5 right now. But for a rifle/pcc/subgun platform in this power category, 300BO is my hands down choice.

Edited Friday at 07:54 PM by nunya

[brabus]

My PCCs are fun to bang steel with, but not my go-to for killing (though obviously they can). Similar 300BO setup to Nunya’s is my primary weapon in/around the house…unless time demands I grab something different that’s closer at hand in the moment. 

[AirGuardianC141747]

15 hours ago, FourFans said:

Considering the Grand Power Stribog 45 ACP for a suppressed home defense gun.  Anyone with experience, thoughts or feedback?

https://grandpower.eu/products/product-categories/stribog-line/45acp-stribog-line/stribog-sp45/

 

I considered the earlier 9mm version of the Stribog a few years ago and the feeding issues due to the straight mag (theirs specifically) was a concern for me. No feed, No fight! They did make improvements since then so hopefully that transferred over to the .45 ACP. 

[Lord Ratner]

16 hours ago, brabus said:

My PCCs are fun to bang steel with, but not my go-to for killing (though obviously they can). Similar 300BO setup to Nunya’s is my primary weapon in/around the house…unless time demands I grab something different that’s closer at hand in the moment. 

I have the Rattler from a few pages back, and 300BLK is an awesome round if you are suppressing, but I'm not sure it makes sense when you are shooting at someone in your house where a couple sheets of drywall are potentially all that separate you from your kids. In that case, I think something slow and fragmenting/spreading could be the safer bet. But I haven't dug into the ballistics of 200+ grain hollow point 300 BO. Defending your property's exterior or a camping iyt truck gun? Absolutely. 

 

It's also for this reason that I still like birdshot in a shotgun as the primary self defense firearm. Buckshot as the second round for if you end up in the rare situation of needing a second shot, at which point you might be less worried about shooting through drywall. 

 

To each their own, obviously, but I do like hearing other people's cost/benefit analysis. I also have to consider what my wife is comfortable using if I'm away on a trip. .300BLK (and the gun using it) is a lot less approachable than the above shotgun where you just rack it and go.

[brabus]

@Lord Ratner
 

Depends on the bullet used, but overall 300BO is a great compromise between over penetration and effectiveness. Birdshot is completely ineffective (I don’t recommend the shoot at a threat to scare them gameplan, shoot to kill is the best game plan) and buckshot will penetrate way more than 300BO. Regardless of weapon, absolutely important to think through where the high risk penetration shot directions are (e.g. shooting toward your kids bedroom), where the likely points of entry for a threat are, and how you can maneuver to minimize risk of lining those two things up. Bad guy gets a vote, but still something to think through before it happens.

Shootability is based a lot on familiarity, but an AR is more “shootable” than a shotgun or large handgun for most people in terms of recoil, getting back on target after a shot, more capacity = less/no reloads, etc. Practice can majorly reduce that “shootability” difference for someone, but overall many women are going to be better off with an AR platform vs. the others. Their only hang up is emotional, which will go away if they learn how to use it.

[Smokin]

One downside of 300BO is round expansion if you're going the suppressed subsonic route.  You need to buy a high quality round or shoot normal supersonic speeds or you risk it not opening up.  I've shot a pig with a suppressed subsonic 300BO, heard the nice thwack indicating a good hit, only to watch the pig trot away like nothing happened.  My mind was blown until I looked more into that round afterwards and found it was notorious for not opening up at subsonic speeds.  I'm sure the pig died, but not even close to recoverable with no blood trail in a swamp.  If that were some dude that broke into my house on drugs, he'd require many more rounds to stop him.  I had that gun as a backup home defense gun and swapped out the ammo for full speed rounds after that.

I also had worried about rounds missing or going straight through a bad guy into my kids rooms, but decided after that I would just have to keep my home's geometry in mind if I woke up to a noise in the middle of the night.  Might be easier said than done in some houses depending on the layout.

Edit to add: depending on the shotgun, I've had nearly as many feed/ejection/misc problems with shotguns as I have with a well maintained AR.  So don't let the 'ARs are more difficult to operate' though keep you from using one as a home defense gun.  I think a good AR is absolutely the best home defense gun you could get.  Few bad guys will break into a possibly occupied house by themselves unless they're really high.  Then you either have someone that will take many rounds to put down or multiple bad guys to deal with.  Either way I want more rounds available than most shotguns offer.

Edited 3 hours ago by Smokin

[brabus]

@Smokin Cartridge matters as you pointed out - I personally run Hornady TAP 190gr subs, specifically addresses expansion at subsonic velocities. A suppressor is also very helpful in a HD situation (or really any situation).

[raimius]

Have you considered something like 125grn SSTs?

[brabus]

I have some, just haven’t had time to work up a load. That said, they won’t be subs, and I also will never use reloads for defense.