Gun Talk

[arg]

Cabellas safe?

 

[nunya]

Dude said "Liberty." Do they make Cabela's branded safes?

 

edit: Yep. https://www.libertysafe.com/pages/cabelas

Edited January 10 by nunya

[uhhello]

Thats pretty bad ass.  I'm curious what the safe specs were.

[Smokin]

Impressive.  Looks like it said 45 on the door as it opened, so probably 45 min at 1200. 

Also impressive as it's my understanding that most fire rated gun safes like that won't really survive a house fire.  The temp and duration of the rating is usually well under what most stick built houses will burn.  I'm getting ready to build a fire-proof walk in gun safe room and was going to sell my safe, but am now thinking of putting it in the corner as a double protection.

[uhhello]

3 hours ago, Smokin said:

Impressive.  Looks like it said 45 on the door as it opened, so probably 45 min at 1200. 

Also impressive as it's my understanding that most fire rated gun safes like that won't really survive a house fire.  The temp and duration of the rating is usually well under what most stick built houses will burn.  I'm getting ready to build a fire-proof walk in gun safe room and was going to sell my safe, but am now thinking of putting it in the corner as a double protection.

[uhhello]

3 hours ago, Smokin said:

Impressive.  Looks like it said 45 on the door as it opened, so probably 45 min at 1200. 

Also impressive as it's my understanding that most fire rated gun safes like that won't really survive a house fire.  The temp and duration of the rating is usually well under what most stick built houses will burn.  I'm getting ready to build a fire-proof walk in gun safe room and was going to sell my safe, but am now thinking of putting it in the corner as a double protection.

Yeah, dude got very lucky from a rudimentary search for total loss fire safes.

 

[uhhello]

This video explains it all.  Essentially you're counting on a rapid fire response (within 10 minutes) to get water on the fire and save the gats.  Keep the safe in a room with an internal door to keep the room heat down as much as possible. 

 

Edited January 11 by uhhello

[brabus]

Liberty is the company who gave the feds the code to open private citizen’s safes. Fuck them. But I’m glad that guy’s guns didn’t burn, so there’s that.

Edited January 11 by brabus

[Smokin]

The other thing to consider is basically fireproofing the closet or whatever your safe is in.  I originally considered adding three layers of fire rated drywall (which is basically what gives the safe a fire rating) on all the sides, which might allow the contents to survive a real fire.  My current plan is to basically line a room in the basement with fire drywall and then cinder blocks.  Big problem to solve is how to protect the ceiling...

I actually did do the safe within a safe, put a "fireproof" document safe inside the "fireproof" gun safe thinking that the documents might actually survive.  Until I didn't have space in the gun safe.

Did the feds have a warrant for the Liberty event?  While I'm against a backdoor code even existing for something like a gun safe, if they had a warrant then they were going to get into the safe one way or another.  Just saved some time, money, and destroying the safe.

[uhhello]

2 hours ago, Smokin said:

The other thing to consider is basically fireproofing the closet or whatever your safe is in.  I originally considered adding three layers of fire rated drywall (which is basically what gives the safe a fire rating) on all the sides, which might allow the contents to survive a real fire.  My current plan is to basically line a room in the basement with fire drywall and then cinder blocks.  Big problem to solve is how to protect the ceiling...

I actually did do the safe within a safe, put a "fireproof" document safe inside the "fireproof" gun safe thinking that the documents might actually survive.  Until I didn't have space in the gun safe.

Did the feds have a warrant for the Liberty event?  While I'm against a backdoor code even existing for something like a gun safe, if they had a warrant then they were going to get into the safe one way or another.  Just saved some time, money, and destroying the safe.

There was a warrant.  

[uhhello]

Some of you assholes (def not me) are felons again for a few more days according to the ATF.

 

 

Edited January 11 by uhhello

[Smokin]

ATF is setting itself up to be next after Dept of non-Education for cost savings under the next administration.

[arg]

Tried to find one with babes in it.

[brabus]

11 hours ago, Smokin said:

While I'm against a backdoor code even existing for something like a gun safe, if they had a warrant then they were going to get into the safe one way or another.  Just saved some time, money, and destroying the safe.

True, but like you I am adamantly against any back door codes held by a manufacturer. Also, Liberty could have fought back at least a little (e.g. Apple), but they just handed it over after seeing the warrant. If in that situation - fuck the gov, they can deal with cutting open the safe. And this wasn’t a time-sensitive matter where the safe contents were life or death type stuff, it was just more J6-related bullshit.

Edited January 12 by brabus

[uhhello]

4 minutes ago, brabus said:

True, but like you I am adamantly against any back door codes held by a manufacturer. Also, Liberty could have fought back at least a little (e.g. Apple), but they just handed it over after seeing the warrant. If in that situation - fuck the gov, they can deal with cutting open the safe. And this wasn’t a time-sensitive matter where the safe contents were life or death type stuff, it was just more J6-related bullshit.

While I generally agree, after looking into it, it was a sealed warrant.  They were not aware of why the govt was seeking the code.  

[brabus]

51 minutes ago, uhhello said:

While I generally agree, after looking into it, it was a sealed warrant.  They were not aware of why the govt was seeking the code.  

Even more reason to push back. Unless they did fight it and I’m unaware, but from what I read and take from their public statement, they handed it over without any pushback. Either way doesn’t affect me, never had a gun safe and never will be in the market for one. 

[Smokin]

Sealed warrants, along with the ATF, are bull.  The only possible justifications are organized crime and terrorism where any information can be used by the bad guys to stop the bleeding.  But, even then it is borderline un-American like civil forfeiture and the like.  I recant my defense of Liberty Safes.

[ClearedHot]

[busdriver]

Point of order good sir!  A 5" government model makes a fine club once it's empty.  A 1911 shooter is never forced to resort to fisticuffs.

[Lord Ratner]

Anyone see KelTec's new CCW abomination? I think it might actually be pure genius, but everything with KelTec is a crap shoot.

But for $400, I think I'm going to break my rule about buying new calibers... I just hope it's actually comfortable to shoot. 

[M2]

10 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Anyone see KelTec's new CCW abomination? I think it might actually be pure genius, but everything with KelTec is a crap shoot.

But for $400, I think I'm going to break my rule about buying new calibers... I just hope it's actually comfortable to shoot. 

https://www.shootingnewsweekly.com/handguns/shot-show-range-day-is-it-wrong-that-i-really-really-like-the-new-keltec-pr57/

Let us know what you think....

[BFM this]

They lost me at magazine-less.

[brabus]

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 02:33 AM by brabus

[Smokin]

3 hours ago, BFM this said:

They lost me at magazine-less.

Wait, what?  No magazine for a pistol?  Never been interested in Keltec (just seems like a cheaper version of harbor freight of guns) but this makes me a hater on principle.

[Lord Ratner]

15 hours ago, Smokin said:

Wait, what?  No magazine for a pistol?  Never been interested in Keltec (just seems like a cheaper version of harbor freight of guns) but this makes me a hater on principle.

You're missing the point. There are two reasons this is interesting, the first is California and other states that are putting restrictions on how many rounds are removable magazine can carry. This bypasses it in a way that will drive them insane.

 

But the second, which I find more compelling, is how many people out there think that they're going to be reloading in some sort of Red Dawn style shootout. The idea of this new pistol is to give you 21 rounds in something much smaller and easier to conceal than a full frame handgun. If it conceals as well as a p365, then I would much rather have the extra eight rounds then the ability to swap magazines (which I absolutely do not carry extra magazines).

 

But it's Kel-Tec. They're basically the only innovative gun maker left, but they strike out *a lot.* I will say, I have enjoyed the KSG-410 quite a bit.