streak Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 AFPC says Wg/CCs were instructed that all flying training begun prior to 1 Nov 18 will be grandfathered under the old 36-2107's ADSC rules. HAF/A1 is working on the PA/implementation guidance to released...sometime.
ThreeHoler Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 Unless it just changed, it is training RIPs signed before 1 Nov 18.
pcola Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 Phew. Dodged another bullet. 2 years and counting...Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app
Fuzz Posted September 26, 2018 Posted September 26, 2018 On 9/13/2018 at 6:34 AM, ThreeHoler said: Unless it just changed, it is training RIPs signed before 1 Nov 18. We've had several people turn down IPUG already and sorry no one is rolling the dice that AFPC will honor a Facebook post when it comes to what the 1 November timeline actually entails.
dream big Posted September 26, 2018 Posted September 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Fuzz said: We've had several people turn down IPUG already and sorry no one is rolling the dice that AFPC will honor a Facebook post when it comes to what the 1 November timeline actually entails. Same in this corner of the MAF. Lot’s of former RPA or white jet guys within 3 years of the commitment that are already refusing to upgrade. Many of the other IPs planning to punch at the earliest opportunity. It’s okay, we don’t need instructors...
Chuck17 Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 Rumor out of Corona is this was discussed in detail and ADSCs for advanced flying training are going away as a result. Not sure on the timeline, but AFPC has for implementation. Logic: atrocious numbers of dudes balking at upgrade over the three year ADSC requirement, and most of them are or are going to be under an ADSC for PCS anyway, so why are they being forced to sign paperwork that's ultimately hurting combat readiness ? We shall see I guess.... Chuck 1
DirtyFlightSuit Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Chuck17 said: Rumor out of Corona is this was discussed in detail and ADSCs for advanced flying training are going away as a result. Not sure on the timeline, but AFPC has for implementation. Logic: atrocious numbers of dudes balking at upgrade over the three year ADSC requirement, and most of them are or are going to be under an ADSC for PCS anyway, so why are they being forced to sign paperwork that's ultimately hurting combat readiness ? We shall see I guess.... Chuck I'd say too late the damage has already been done but not sure if you damage something that is already destroyed you can call it "more" damaged... Edited October 13, 2018 by DirtyFlightSuit
Homestar Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Chuck17 said: Rumor out of Corona is this was discussed in detail and ADSCs for advanced flying training are going away as a result. Not sure on the timeline, but AFPC has for implementation. Logic: atrocious numbers of dudes balking at upgrade over the three year ADSC requirement, and most of them are or are going to be under an ADSC for PCS anyway, so why are they being forced to sign paperwork that's ultimately hurting combat readiness ? We shall see I guess.... Chuck So the ADSC policy changed without any of the Generals knowing what was going on, but it takes Corona to straighten out the mess? That checks. I'm sure implementation will occur during the next re-write...in 6 years.
herkbier Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 Someone should tell the Generals.. it doesn’t matter if they fix this problem, the trust has been lost a thousand times over. I’m not affected by these ADSC shenanigans, but I’m on the lookout for the next time the Air Force will try to screw its personnel over without any of the Generals knowing about it.. allegedly that is. 1
jice Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, herkbier said: Someone should tell the Generals.. it doesn’t matter if they fix this problem, the trust has been lost a thousand times over. I’m not affected by these ADSC shenanigans, but I’m on the lookout for the next time the Air Force will try to screw its personnel over without any of the Generals knowing about it.. allegedly that is. No! Don’t be so emotional. Don’t forget that people read these forums and take away things like “more money isn’t even worth the effort.” It absolutely matters. Would it have been better if this never came up? Sure. Did HAF/A1* breach the trust? Absolutely; those douchebags! But! Having cooler craniums prevail re: the policy (with negative fallout likely for the ‘perpetrators’) is a big deal. That’s the difference between a complete meltdown and a brief release of radioactive policy. The gulf between is massive. Edit to correct AFPC to HAF/A1. Edited October 14, 2018 by jice 1
ThreeHoler Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 No! Don’t be so emotional. Don’t forget that people read these forums and take away things like “more money isn’t even worth the effort.” It absolutely matters. Would it have been better if this never came up? Sure. Did AFPC breach the trust? Absolutely; those douchebags! But! Having cooler craniums prevail re: the policy (with negative fallout likely for the ‘perpetrators’) is a big deal. That’s the difference between a complete meltdown and a brief release of radioactive policy. The gulf between is massive. It wasn’t AFPC. It was AF/A1. 1
herkbier Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 You’re right, it does matter and absolutely needs to be corrected. But it should’ve been corrected months ago with a swift “No!” From CSAF. Again, I’m not affected by this policy SNAFU, but it seems like dumb ass policies without oversight is situation normal. It probably has been since the 40s.. just seems more magnified now. 3
BashiChuni Posted October 13, 2018 Posted October 13, 2018 Why the fuck should I get additional time for going to white jets? I’ve lived up to my decade post UPT commitment. AFPC fighting me for 6 more months post commitment tells me all I need to know. Get fucked. 1 4
Guardian Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 Why the should I get additional time for going to white jets? I’ve lived up to my decade post UPT commitment. AFPC fighting me for 6 more months post commitment tells me all I need to know. Get ed. Because CSAF says so and you are a volunteer and should do whatever the AF tells you to. Get Fingered! (That’s a callsign)
di1630 Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 My guess is that new guidance comes out by Nov when AFPC starts matching the summer VML. Latest by Jan when I think all the assignments will be doled out and people need to make their decision.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app
LookieRookie Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 New ADSC reg dated 22 October on e-publishing today. All ADSCs for IQ/RQ/IPUG/PIT are gone. 3 2
isuguy1234 Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 When ur pilot adsc is up, how does ur date of sep work? For instance, adsc is up May 2020 but for whatever reason u want to separate in aug 2020 for job reasons or whatever. Can u do that, or do u have to separate on the exact end of adsc date?
olevelo Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 You can separate any day on or after the end of your last ADSC. At that point you’re just a free agent. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
MooseAg03 Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 New ADSC reg dated 22 October on e-publishing today. All ADSCs for IQ/RQ/IPUG/PIT are gone.I can’t believe they eliminated ADSCs for PIT and cross flow. Whatever we did to make that happen, let’s do the same for a 150k/yr bonus. Then they might get a few people to stay.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
isuguy1234 Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, BashiChuni said: Retroactive? That’s the word I’ve seen. PCS ADSC still applies. Said it may take a few days to sort it all out Edited October 22, 2018 by isuguy1234
Guardian Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 What about the “can’t extend past your initial 10 year pilot training adsc?”
Homestar Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 51 minutes ago, Guardian said: What about the “can’t extend past your initial 10 year pilot training adsc?” That turned into “there is NO ADSC for this training. At all.” It’s weird enough that I think it must be an April Fools joke in October.
ThreeHoler Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 That turned into “there is NO ADSC for this training. At all.” It’s weird enough that I think it must be an April Fools joke in October. Word on the street is HAF panic at training turn backs. 1
Homestar Posted October 22, 2018 Posted October 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said: Word on the street is HAF panic at training turn backs. No doubt. I’m sure they were shocked at the blowback at trying to sneak ADSCs in on the sly during an aircrew retention crisis. 1 3
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