M2 Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 Guys Let's not post any details on here until they become public...for the sake of the crewmembers and their families... (This in reference to the two posts--that were deleted--concerning the tail number of the B-52) Thanks! M2
Guest thefranchise Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 Looks like we lost 2. :( https://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hDy8g30...m-2h2wD922F6OO6 Crash of B-52 bomber off Guam kills at least 2 By JAYMES SONG – 29 minutes ago HONOLULU (AP) — An Air Force B-52 bomber crashed off Guam on Monday morning, killing at least two airmen and leading to the search of a vast area of the Pacific Ocean for the remaining four crew members, the military said. Six vessels, three helicopters, two F-15 fighter jets and a B-52 bomber were involved in the search, which had covered about 70 square miles of ocean, said Coast Guard spokeswoman Lt. Elizabeth Buendia. "We have an active search that's going to go on throughout the night," she said Monday. The Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force and local fire and police departments were involved. Maj. Stuart Upton, a Pentagon spokesman, said the aircraft was unarmed. The B-52 bomber, based at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana, was en route to conduct a flyover in a parade when it crashed around 9:45 a.m. Monday about 30 miles northwest of Apra Harbor, the Air Force said. The Liberation Day parade celebrates the day when the U.S. military arrived on Guam to retake control of the island from Japan. The Air Force said a board of officers will investigate the accident. The accident is the second for the Air Force this year on Guam, a U.S. territory 3,700 miles southwest of Hawaii. In February, a B-2 crashed at Andersen Air Force Base shortly after takeoff in the first-ever crash of a stealth bomber. Both pilots ejected safely. The military estimated the cost of the loss of the aircraft at $1.4 billion. The B-52 is a long-range, heavy bomber that can refuel in mid air. Since the 159-foot-long bomber was first placed into service in 1955, it has been used for a wide range of missions from attacks to ocean surveillance. Two B-52s, in two hours, can monitor 140,000 square miles of ocean surface. According to the Air Force's Web site, the B-52 Stratofortress has been the backbone of the manned strategic bomber force for the United States for more than four decades. It is capable of dropping or launching the widest array of weapons in the U.S. inventory, including cluster bombs and precision guided missiles.
hindsight2020 Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 Follow on question: Are all six seats wired to fire solo or can they be set to all fire if one is pulled? The seats are independent systems, there's no setting to fire in conjunction with any other. Individual stations have to fire their own seat to eject.
Guest thefranchise Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 The seats are independent systems, there's no setting to fire in conjunction with any other. Individual stations have to fire their own seat to eject. are there even 6 ejection seats on the BUFF?
MD Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 are there even 6 ejection seats on the BUFF? Yes, there used to be six total crewmembers before enlisted gunners were removed. Reference post #20 by b52gator on page 1 of the thread that describes this in detail.
Butters Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 I hope they find the other 4. One of my buds from UPT flies BUFFs at KBAD. Thrying to get in touch with him. Prayers for all 6, sorry to hear about the 2. I dunno, seems Class As are higher this FY08 year than previous years. I think FY08 is cursed B-52 - 7/21/08 - https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25777752/ T-6A - 6/4/08 - https://www.enidnews.com/localnews/local_story_157002838.html T-1A - 5/21/08 - https://www.swtexaslive.com/node/6908 T-38C (2 fatal) - 5/1/08 - https://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123096788 T-38C (2 fatal) - 4/23/08 - https://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123095679 B-1 - 4/4/08 - https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23959384 B-2 - 2/23/08 - https://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/23/stealth.b...h.ap/index.html F-16 (1 fatal) - 3/14/08 - https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23650740/ T-34C (2 fatal) - 3/14/08 - https://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A...1/80314041/1006 T-38C - 3/13/08 - https://www.enidnews.com/archivesearch/loca..._073000135.html T-45C - 3/6/08 - https://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/03/ap_t...etcrash_030508/ F-15C x 2 (1 fatal) - 2/20/08 - https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8022002774.html EA-6B - 2/12/08 - https://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/02/navy..._crash_080212w/ F-15 - 2/1/08 - https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/02/...15crash_080202/ F-16 - 1/15/08 - https://www.afrc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123082428 F-18 x 2 - 1/7/08 - https://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/01/navy..._crash_080107w/ T-6A x 2 - 11/28/07 - https://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Nov28/0,4...ceCrash,00.html F-15C - 11/2/07 - https://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Nov02/0,4...etCrash,00.html Sorry, I will clarify. I meant the AF rate was constant. This list include 5 navy incidents. The AF had 27 Class As in FY 07.
Bergman Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 (edited) Link to Barksdale video statement WASHINGTON (CNN) — The bodies of two crew members who were aboard a U.S. Air Force B-52 when it crashed Monday off the island of Guam have been recovered, the Air Force said. Four other airmen remained missing. Rescuers found the bodies about 30 miles northwest of Guam, the Air Force said in a written statement. One of the victims was identified, but the identity was withheld pending family notification. Search crews found no survivors, but were still looking, said Lt. Elizabeth Buendia, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Coast Guard in Guam. Col. George Martin, a physician and second in command of the medical unit at Anderson Air Force Base in Guam, was also aboard the plane, but not a member of the crew, military officials told CNN. Strange that they aren't releasing names of the crew, but they tell us the name of the flight surgeon who was on the plane. Edited July 21, 2008 by Bergman
usaf36031 Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 To the one's we lost Still holding out hope for the other four.
Container STS Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 Red Devils and Bucs a toast...a great dude to those who know him... Him Him
Scooter14 Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 Link to Barksdale video statement Strange that they aren't releasing names of the crew, but they tell us the name of the flight surgeon who was on the plane. It's probably because his next-of-kin is on the island, whereas the rest of the crewmemebrs live half a world away.
Techsan Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 Strange that they aren't releasing names of the crew, but they tell us the name of the flight surgeon who was on the plane. Technically, the FS is a crew member. I hope they find the others soon.
165LM Posted July 21, 2008 Posted July 21, 2008 him him Pray for the safe return of the remaining four
Guest ElRoy Posted July 22, 2008 Posted July 22, 2008 Just saw a blurb on Fox News They have found 3 of the crew members, not really explicit on conditions and the like.
WheelzUp Posted July 22, 2008 Posted July 22, 2008 Him Him............ :salut: :beer: Let's all pray for the best.
Butters Posted July 22, 2008 Posted July 22, 2008 For everyone involed in the rescure effort. I know some of you have probably doen SAR in the open ocean and you know it is not a easy task. The Pacific is a big ocean and there is a hell of a current where they went down. Those guys will be busting their ass to find remaining crew members.
Herk Driver Posted July 22, 2008 Posted July 22, 2008 Here's a toast... :beer: Hopefully there will be some better news.
Butters Posted July 22, 2008 Posted July 22, 2008 More from KUAM News. B-52H Stratofortress crash site photos KUAM's CBS affiliate, WBNS-10 TV in Columbus, Ohio, has confirmed the identity of one of the crew members who was aboard the B-52H Stratofortress that crashed off the coast of the island on Monday morning. According to our affiliate, they identified one of the six crew members as Colonel George Martin who has served as a military doctor for the last 25 years and the second in command at the medical unit at Andersen Air Force Base. According to the Andersen Air Force Base Public Affairs Office, the bodies of two B-52 crew members were recovered during rescue operations on Monday. Officials are withholding the identities of the crew members but confirm that the identity of one of the recovered crew members has been determined but efforts are still underway to notify family members. The bomber, deployed from Barksdale Air Force Base to the Yigo base, was involved in a training mission on Liberation Day and was scheduled to perform a flyover during the island's annual Liberation Day Parade when for unknown reasons, the aircraft and its 6 crew members aboard crashed off the coast of Guam about 9:45 Monday morning. The Air Force has confirmed that the bodies of two crew members were recovered, but they have not released the identities of those individuals. The military also confirmed that there were no weapons or munitions aboard the aircraft that was deployed to AAFB as part of the Department of Defense's continuous bomber presence mission in the Pacific region.
B52gator Posted July 22, 2008 Author Posted July 22, 2008 No...and if there are not any survivors, it is going to be really hard to determined what happened. Now maybe somebody will finally realize that we need something like that in the BUFF.
Guest Boom Posted July 22, 2008 Posted July 22, 2008 No...and if there are not any survivors, it is going to be really hard to determined what happened. Now maybe somebody will finally realize that we need something like that in the BUFF. How the 50+ year old KC-135 have a FDR/CVR but the Buff doesn't? Seems kind of odd?
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