deskjockey Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Corporate World perspective: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/want-to-be-ceo--what-s-your-bmi--174101605.html Without extenuating circumstances (i.e. the SQ/CC can't pass the run), I tend to agree with Grave, but it raises other questions. If you're firing CC's for failing a PT test, would you also fire them for a Q3? A speeding ticket? I'm sure the GP or WG/CC made his policy clear when the various CCs were hired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I am basing my findings on the stats from my wing. What I remember from my two previous bases lines up pretty closely with what I see at my current base. No, I have personally not ever seen that. I have several friends that have failed PFTs, hell my wife once failed her PFT. All of them learned from it, got to the gym and passed with flying colors on their next test. My wife had an OPR closing out during her failure, so she got permission to re-test two weeks later and got a 90. You don't get kicked out of the Air Force for one failure. The squadron commanders that were fired are still in the Air Force. However, you can't hold people to a standard you can't meet yourself, so as a SQ/CC you can't fail, period. I am not saying that people with one failure in their career don't have their feces consolidated. I am talking about the people that fail every other test, or fail three then pass one to avoid separation. Those people, in my experience, aren't hard working or aren't motivated or are always late or have a lot of financial difficulty or have difficulty managing their lives in general. Maybe your experiences are different. This just proves how ridiculous the policies are! You're telling me that in two weeks your wife's physical fitness increased so dramatically that she went from a "fail" to a 90? Or was it that the test she failed was such a crock for whatever reason and then turned around and got a 90 two weeks later. GMAFB. Did she have other "life issues" that caused her to fail? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Dub Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I'm sure the GP or WG/CC made his policy clear when the various CCs were hired. You can't possibly believe this, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsokimapilot Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 You can't possibly believe this, do you? While discussing the PFT with my SQ/CC he told me the WG/CC required his commanders to score an excellent. Don't score an excellent on the PFT lose your squadron. This was the same WG/CC that required a 100% on closed book tests. "There's only one passing grade on closed book exams in my wing, 100%." Thankfully, that WG/CC is long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravedigger Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) she went from a "fail" to a 90? Or was it that the test she failed was such a crock for whatever reason and then turned around and got a 90 two weeks later. GMAFB. She actually failed with a 90 the first time, missed by 2 push-ups. The tests she has taken since she has been nowhere near the minimum, because if you are that close to the edge and have a shitty day, you fail. In my previous post I said it's not the one time failures I'm worried about. It's the people that fail repeatedly, even after ample opportunity to improve. I'm not saying the system is great, what I am saying is that fitness is important and that people that continuously fail PFTs generally have other problems as well. To me, it's kind of like DUIs. I have seen some really good dudes get a DUI. People that get multiple DUIs on the other hand are typically not the really good dudes. ETA: We obviously aren't going to agree on this one; can we agree that no more blues Monday is awesome, as are boobs? Edited January 19, 2013 by Gravedigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 ...To me, it's kind of like DUIs. I have seen some really good dudes get a DUI. People that get multiple DUIs on the other hand are typically not the really good dudes. Copy...PT Failure = DUI Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravedigger Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Really? You didn't get that it was a metaphor? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 While discussing the PFT with my SQ/CC he told me the WG/CC required his commanders to score an excellent. Don't score an excellent on the PFT lose your squadron. This was the same WG/CC that required a 100% on closed book tests. "There's only one passing grade on closed book exams in my wing, 100%." Thankfully, that WG/CC is long gone. Must have been a missiler, gotta be 100% when you turn that key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Just get rid of the waist measurement and I bet most people will stop bitching about the PFT, I know I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 While discussing the PFT with my SQ/CC he told me the WG/CC required his commanders to score an excellent. Don't score an excellent on the PFT lose your squadron. This was the same WG/CC that required a 100% on closed book tests. "There's only one passing grade on closed book exams in my wing, 100%." Thankfully, that WG/CC is long gone. Ahhhh... the good old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hispeed7721 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 ETA: We obviously aren't going to agree on this one; can we agree that no more blues Monday is awesome, as are boobs? Yes, for the love of God...lets agree on these two points and move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Seat Driver Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 While discussing the PFT with my SQ/CC he told me the WG/CC required his commanders to score an excellent. Don't score an excellent on the PFT lose your squadron. This was the same WG/CC that required a 100% on closed book tests. "There's only one passing grade on closed book exams in my wing, 100%." Thankfully, that WG/CC is long gone. Hopefully he has a star now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toro Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 If you're firing CC's for failing a PT test, would you also fire them for a Q3? A speeding ticket? In and of themselves, Q3 or speeding tickets do not lead to a referral OPR. That being said, who wants a CC who gets a Q3? And who can't pass our pathetic PT test? Gimme a fucking break. Weren't we talking about blues? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) While discussing the PFT with my SQ/CC he told me the WG/CC required his commanders to score an excellent. Don't score an excellent on the PFT lose your squadron. This was the same WG/CC that required a 100% on closed book tests. "There's only one passing grade on closed book exams in my wing, 100%." Thankfully, that WG/CC is long gone. So I'm assuming if he didn't get an excellent or a 100% on the closed book, he would give up his command? In and of themselves, Q3 or speeding tickets do not lead to a referral OPR. So, is a speeding ticket something you have to report to your CC? If so, this is the first I've heard of this. Edited January 20, 2013 by SocialD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty-six & Two Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 So, is a speeding ticket something you have to report to your CC? If so, this is the first I've heard of this. If it happens on base, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleRattle Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I wonder what was going through Skeletor II's brain 6-9 seconds after he found out that Welsh reversed (for lack of a better term) his Blues Monday policy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techsan Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I wonder what was going through Skeletor II's brain 6-9 seconds after he found out that Welsh reversed (for lack of a better term) his Blues Monday policy... I doubt he cares---he has bigger things to worry about now, like the length of the line @ the pharmacy, catching that hop to Hawaii as. Cat VI, and not standing in the middle of the aisle @ the commissary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noodles Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 WRI is doing a monthly blues day....I hear that Fairchild is doing the same. This happening anywhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breckey Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Malmstrom was doing a blues day on the first business day after the daylight savings/standard time change. Don't know if that changed with the new Wg/CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarheadBoom Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 WRI is doing a monthly blues day....I hear that Fairchild is doing the same. This happening anywhere else? That's news to me. Even with as fucked up as we are ourselves... sometimes it pays to be a Reservist at WRI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Hungus Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 WRI is doing a monthly blues day....I hear that Fairchild is doing the same. This happening anywhere else? That will certainly help retention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breckey Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) So this is probably going to get me flamed but here it goes: I never understand the animosity towards wearing blues if you're in an office environment. IMO if you work in shops like Wg/Staff, finance, MPF, and other back offices that never require and manual labor or getting dirty then there's no reason to wear a utility uniform. If you get the uniform fit correctly and tailored, it's not uncomfortable. I know a lot of the civilian business landscape has changed WRT to wearing a suit and tie to work (ie Mad Men) but that doesn't mean that the military needs to have everybody wear a utility uniform to make them feel like a warrior. If you're job is a support organization that is in an office environment, you should look like it. Granted supervisors that require blind adherence to the "blues on a day" policy take it way too far when they require personnel like CE, cops, MX etc to change when they post or perform duties that actually require a utility uniform. Policies like that are retarded. Wearing an office uniform if your job is in the office seems like common sense. Flame away. Edited August 13, 2014 by Breckey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Wearing an office uniform if your job is in the office seems like common sense. No, that's pretty reasonable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 What would you expect when the AF often uses blues as a punishment? You don't send a kid to time out in their room and then wonder why they don't enjoy being in their room alone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThatGuy Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Why not do away with blues until we have a vast majority of our forces out of Afghanistan? That way people do not forget a lot of folks are still hacking the mission abroad. I think this was done during the SECDEF Rumsfeld era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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