MC-12 Liberty info

[HU&W]

We could also use the A-10 to augment local police forces in car chases.

I think the comments made by Lt Gen Wyatt were forward thinking comments, hence he earned the rank of Lt Gen. The Air Force has touted the service as having a vision beyond our adversaries and sister services. Placing the MC-12W in a box and limiting the mission to ISR only does not constitute Air Force vision in any way, shape, or form. The more missions the aircraft can perform keeps the platform relevant and less likely to go away. Last time I checked, the Air Force was doing just fine before the first MC-12W squadron stood up in Iraq.

The honorable Ashton B. Carter, Deputy SECDEF, has stated the plane lacks what the AF needs for future conflicts. "With respect to the [assets] that we put together quickly, under the pressure of combat, and which have been so amazingly successful, they do pose a managerial issue for us after the war because they were not essentially designed to last; they don’t necessarily have all the features that we wanted in a force that will be an enduring part of the force,” Carter said at a May 30 event at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank in Washington."

If anyone paid close attention to Hurricane Katrina or Sandy an ISR aircraft could have played an important role during both catastrophes. I didn't hear anyone from C-130 units complaining when they had to airlift personnel and civilians in/out of Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina tore up the place. Flexibility is still the key to air power gentlemen.

I am waiting for someone to say Lt Gen Ashton and the Deputy SECDEF are wrong. They have vision and understand the intricacies behind flexibility being the key to air power.

Skank sounds exactly like Sheldon from Big Bang Theory.

[sputnik]

A cadet wouldn't know this information sir.

They would if they read the paper.

[ThreeHoler]

Show me the paper that states this was SECDEF Gates priority. And cadets do not deal with OPSEC.

People who did one tour and went back to another platform shouldn't talk about CAPES on this forum. A huge problem with the program. Going to have to have a chat with an administrator.

Sarcasm detector inop. Although the douche generator is off the chart high...

[HU&W]

So, were you offended that Hacker used the word 'capes'? Do you have a reading comprehension issue?

This thread has turned into a train wreck. I miss the negative votes button.

Edited to add: it is funny to watch you going back to edit each of your posts to make yourself sound a little more intelligent. It's not working.

Edited November 11, 2012 by HU&W

[contraildash]

Always the dig at the MC-12 roll.

Hacker, apparently you cannot say the MC-12 has 'capes'. OPSEC and all. Shit I just said 'capes'. There, did it again. Crap.

[M2]

Talking about aircraft CAPES in a forum like this for an ISR platform is a violation of the 9 RW Critical Information List / OPSEC Policy.

First and second rules of Fight Club.

If I find out that the 9RW CIL is marked FOUO, as many CILs are, you're gonna take a vacation!

And contraildash, do that again and I'm gonna kick your ass!

[HuggyU2]

A little ISR history for the naysayers. A global hawk did conduct a non ISR mission over Japan after an earthquake and tsunami ravaged the area in 2011.

I don't get your point here. Are you saying this is a good thing, or it was a bad thing?

And why is it "non-ISR"?

Edited November 11, 2012 by Huggyu2

[10percenttruth]

I don't get your point here. Are you saying this is a good thing, or it was a bad thing?

And why is it "non-ISR"?

I think his point is that he just learned a bunch of big new words & trivia and is using them to make himself sound intelligent in the absence of actual wisdom or experience.

[DEVIL]

Always the dig at the MC-12 roll.

Hacker, apparently you cannot say the MC-12 has 'capes'. OPSEC and all. Shit I just said 'capes'. There, did it again. Crap.

I knew what it was, clicked it anyway.

Also...

CAPES CAPES CAPES, CAPES CAPES CAPES, CAPES CAPES CAPES CAPES CAPES ( to the tune of Gaylord Focker saying "Bomb" at the airport )

[B.L]

Also, they can do the mission without doing aileron rolls.

Really man? I want to punch every person who brings that up square in the face. That shit happened almost over a year ago. We are doing good shit out here. Don't generalize what we do off of one incident. Unless you are involved with the Liberty program, you truley don't know the capabilities and you don't know the best use for this air craft.

BL

Edited November 11, 2012 by B.L

[B.L]

You can punch someone in the face all you want but that doesn't change what happened. Once again, you are narrow minded and lack big picture thinking. Everyone knows the capabilities of the aircraft because people post it in here for the world to see. And I have the experience to backup what I am saying. My air medals from OIF and OEF speak volumes. Thanks, please come again. All initial cadre members volunteered for the program and a lot of the rest were voluntold to fly the plane in OIF and OEF.

I think its real smart that you have your location set to the airfield designator for Beale AFB (KBAB). Someone monitoring this board knows exactly who to target for information. Must be a new 1st or 2nd Lt posting.

So a designator means I can be exploited? I really don't think so. But I guess it's time to stop feeding the troll. My bad.

BL

[Bobby]

My air medals from OIF and OEF speak volumes.

Simmer down Francis. The fact that you think "Air Medals" gives you some sort of special ######ing street cred around here speaks more about you than anything else you've said.

[B.L]

haha me having KBAB is opsec, but you posting on about good uses for the MC-12, the 9rw, and where you have flown isn't. Sounds only slightly hypacritical. And now I'm in a pissing contest with the troll. I guess successful troll is successful.

BL

[HuggyU2]

Hence my point about a global hawk conducting a disaster relief mission. A disaster relief mission is a good thing in my professional opinion.

... you are trying to enter a conversation you have no knowledge about.

Are you aware that the RQ-4 mission over Fukushima was about 20 hours long? At approx $48K/hr (not including link time), it was a $1M mission to get imagery.

There were other platforms that could have obtained the kind a similar product for a lot less.

So let's get back to the issue of "is the MC-12 the right aircraft for the mission being discussed". I would argue "no". Looking at flooded out areas using an MX-15 camera is not ideal. In fact, there are Civil Air Patrol aircraft that are more suited to certain portions of this mission.

[HU&W]

I'm having a Tim Martins flashback.

[SocialD]

I think the comments made by Lt Gen Wyatt were forward thinking comments, hence he earned the rank of Lt Gen. The Air Force has touted the service as having a vision beyond our adversaries and sister services.

Gen Wyatt is grasping for straws, trying to get a mission for his squadrons that are supposed to lose iron. I think it would be more wise to try to get more UAVs. It's a much better mission for the Guard.

My air medals from OIF and OEF speak volumes.

I guess it means you flew 20ish mission per medal...

[TacAirCoug]

This is going to be fun to watch.

[old crow]

Did Sweet I'm SOF change his screen name?

[herkbum]

Where was CAP during Katrina and Sandy?!

Not sure where you were during Katrina, but the CAP landed at the airfield I was running everyday I was there. They were doing numerous missions and were very involved. Also, when I worked at JFHQ, they were included in our disaster planning and were utilized during our exercises.

[LL Windshear]

None of this trolling is relevant to the thread topic. It's disappointing to see the good work being performed by the Liberty guys minimized by this smear campaign.

/soapboxmodeoff

Edited for momentary lack of self-control.

Edited November 11, 2012 by LL Windshear

[nsplayr]

Nobody else on this forum has their location listed.

I have my location listed and post here all the time. Then again you can also determine my location (or probably yours) via our IP addresses, so I'm not exactly losing sleep at night about the Chinese or the OPSEC police coming to knock on my door...get a grip man.

Talking about helping with disaster relief has nothing to do with the combat missions or aircraft capabilities.

But the point is that disaster relief missions are perhaps not the best match for the MC-12's combat capabilities. Does that mean they can't play or that the guard wouldn't want them? Hell no, but it means it's not the most efficient use of the aircraft we have, which are a shrinking and precious resource.

I'm also pretty sure no one has said they don't want to fly disaster relief missions or any other missions the guard might get tasked to do. What people are saying is that based on what the guard is likely to do, the MC-12 is perhaps overqualified in terms of what it can be used for overseas. I can think of a lot simpler/cheaper ways to provide a civilian JOC-type setup with the pred porn they would need to map flooding, locate victims, etc.

The other point which you seem to be missing is that of course the guard wants the aircraft...they want any aircraft they can get their hands on because then THEY HAVE MORE AIRCRAFT! I wouldn't expect any guard General to say otherwise.

If you were a master of your craft...

What are you brewing beer or something? "Master of your craft," that's some funny sh*t there. Keep it up man, you're doing a great job of logically convincing people to support your position.

Edited November 11, 2012 by nsplayr

[HU&W]

For our new friend, here's a guide that might help you with tactics and strategy next time you join a new forum. Tschuss.

So, back to the topic of this thread?

[B.L]

Its not a precious shrinking resource. Contractors in OIF and OEF have the same plane. Where do you think the concept came from?

Aircraft in the Air Force inventory are the shrinking resourse. You know...reading comprehension and all.

Cheers!

BL

[nsplayr]

Its not a precious shrinking resource. Contractors in OIF and OEF have the same plane. Where do you think the concept came from?

Air Force aircraft...shrinking and precious resource. I'm well aware that you can't hardly swing a dead cat around some deployed locations without hitting a BE350 of one kind or another. And I'm extremely familiar with where the concept for the MC-12 came from.

[B.L]

Its spelled resource Lt. So what was the AF doing from 2001-2009? The ANG did the mission with another platform.

Sorry, didn't realize the spelling police were on the prowl. That's not what I said, I was just helping you with your reading comprehension, your posts today have shown you lack that minor detail and all.

BL