clouseau Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 Update all the kids are suspended for the rest of the year. Given this unfortunate episode maybe it's high time the parents home schooled their kids.
Buddy Spike Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 Given this unfortunate episode maybe it's high time the parents home schooled their kids. Then they shouldn't be forced to pay the property taxes that fund these schools. 1
Fuzz Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 https://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2013/09/dallas_county_now_has_its_very.php Dallas PD gets an MRAP for warrant serving.
Lawman Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 https://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2013/09/dallas_county_now_has_its_very.php Dallas PD gets an MRAP for warrant serving. That's not that crazy... Daleville Alabama (shit town of 5000) has an M113.
Champ Kind Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 That's not that crazy... Daleville Alabama (shit town of 5000) has an M113. I still read the local paper sometimes and I laughed my ass off when I saw that. Thanks for reminding me!
busdriver Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 Daleville Alabama I always figured that place was Alabama's version of Kijong-dong.
17D_guy Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 So, This happened - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/strategic-command-suspension-linked-probe-counterfeit-poker-chips/story?id=20413148 "Strategic Command No. 2 Suspension Linked to Probe of Counterfeit Poker Chips"
waveshaper Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 So, This happened - https://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=20413148 "Strategic Command No. 2 Suspension Linked to Probe of Counterfeit Poker Chips" You can add two more Generals to the fired list; That's like 7 stars in four days. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/two-marine-generals-fired-for-security-lapses-in-afghanistan/2013/09/30/b2ccb8a6-29fe-11e3-b139-029811dbb57f_story.html?hpid=z4
Bobby Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) You can add two more Generals to the fired list; That's like 7 stars in four days. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/two-marine-generals-fired-for-security-lapses-in-afghanistan/2013/09/30/b2ccb8a6-29fe-11e3-b139-029811dbb57f_story.html?hpid=z4 "...many Marines with idle time could have been assigned to guard duty. Instead, some of them took online college classes and others worked out in the gym twice a day." Priorities Edited September 30, 2013 by Bobby
waveshaper Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 "...many Marines with idle time could have been assigned to guard duty. Instead, some of them took online college classes and others worked out in the gym twice a day." Priorities Question; Does the USMC have a dedicated full time force that's primary mission is to provide airfield security and resource protection, similar to the USAF Security Forces?
Gov Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 "...many Marines with idle time could have been assigned to guard duty. Instead, some of them took online college classes and others worked out in the gym twice a day." Priorities Dangerous precedent - Firing Generals for having guys working on AAD and PT over their primary duty. Do we fire the entire AF? 1
Hotdogs Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) Question; Does the USMC have a dedicated full time force that's primary mission is to provide airfield security and resource protection, similar to the USAF Security Forces? In short, No. Typically falls on other composite units internal to the wing (typically LAAD) who compose the base defense force or another ground unit on the base itself. In this case, the Brits were responsible and had assigned another country to defend the base. Edited October 1, 2013 by Hotdogs
Gravedigger Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 So, This happened - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/strategic-command-suspension-linked-probe-counterfeit-poker-chips/story?id=20413148 "Strategic Command No. 2 Suspension Linked to Probe of Counterfeit Poker Chips" I had to brief that dude last year! He was a pompous douche. Justice. 2
Lawman Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 Question; Does the USMC have a dedicated full time force that's primary mission is to provide airfield security and resource protection, similar to the USAF Security Forces? "Airfield Security" might be a bit of a stretch... The night of that attack, the 25th CAB commander put the pathfinders out on the line to guard the perimeter at Mustang Ramp.... First time and only time during that deployment where I actually felt safe sitting in an aircraft running it up. Before that there was a chain link fence guarding half of the helicopters in southern Afghanistan. Security is a joke at most of our airfields. Look at the whole area of KAF surrounding housing on the south west side, nothing but container yards and roads that lead to nowhere. It's almost like we are hoping any enemy incursion wastes it's time and ammo trying to get somewhere it can do damage rather Han actually have an effective QRF.
waveshaper Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 "Airfield Security" might be a bit of a stretch... The night of that attack, the 25th CAB commander put the pathfinders out on the line to guard the perimeter at Mustang Ramp.... First time and only time during that deployment where I actually felt safe sitting in an aircraft running it up. Before that there was a chain link fence guarding half of the helicopters in southern Afghanistan. Security is a joke at most of our airfields. Look at the whole area of KAF surrounding housing on the south west side, nothing but container yards and roads that lead to nowhere. It's almost like we are hoping any enemy incursion wastes it's time and ammo trying to get somewhere it can do damage rather Han actually have an effective QRF. I believe the RAF was partially responsible for perimeter security at this location. It is also being reported that Major General Gurganus reduced the number of Marines patrolling the perimeter from 325 to 100 one month before the attack. This reduction of security personnel sounds somewhat like the situation leading up to the Benghazi attack.
17D_guy Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 I had to brief that dude last year! He was a pompous douche. Justice. Navy Admiral a pompous douche.. lies. One of my Bosses, 29 year Navy O, had the ADM as a CC a decade or so ago and doesn't buy any of this and thinks it's a conspiracy by.. someone, Obama?, to get rid of military leadership that doesn't agree with him. It is also being reported that Major General Gurganus reduced the number of Marines patrolling the perimeter from 325 to 100 one month before the attack. Did he do it, or was it done by Kabul/Leadership? Article is not clear, do you have another source?
JarheadBoom Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 Did he do it, or was it done by Kabul/Leadership? Article is not clear, do you have another source? As I understand it (from a Wasington Post article I read through a FB link), he didn't have a choice - the personnel drawdown limited the number of bodies he had available to cover the not-drawn-down committment level elsewhere in his RC (RC-E, I think...). NOTE: I am not defending MajGen Gurganus. A lot of Marines (especially ones who wear shiny rank) feel that he is ultimately responsible for the Bastion incident, and were not-very-privately calling for his head. Of course, a lot of those same Marines are not exactly enamored with the guy doing the firing...
Darth Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 https://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/hail-king-justin-bieber-gets-carried-great-wall-165806219.html What a douchebag.
Lawman Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 I believe the RAF was partially responsible for perimeter security at this location. It is also being reported that Major General Gurganus reduced the number of Marines patrolling the perimeter from 325 to 100 one month before the attack. This reduction of security personnel sounds somewhat like the situation leading up to the Benghazi attack. Oh I don't doubt it but there's sure as hell lots of blame to go around for the Taliban cashing in on our stupidity. Wasting force cap to have MPs write speeding tickets instead of do their job as combat security. Driving around in vehicles who no crew serve weapons and minimal equipment. Perimeter fences with urban areas built up next to them (the whole river side of bastion) providing enemy with free movement. After Frontnac's success it was only a matter of time till word got out and they tried something bold. Sacking these two generals was just the latest in our "look we did something about it" knee jerk leadership model. 1
17D_guy Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 After Frontnac's success it was only a matter of time till word got out and they tried something bold. Sacking these two generals was just the latest in our "look we did something about it" knee jerk leadership model. Should have fired them sooner? Should prosecute them? What could they have done to avoid the appearance of that? Not asking to be a douche, interested in what else they could have done since I'm coming up empty. As I often do.
M2 Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 One of my Bosses, 29 year Navy O, had the ADM as a CC a decade or so ago and doesn't buy any of this and thinks it's a conspiracy by.. someone, Obama?, to get rid of military leadership that doesn't agree with him. The Deputy Commander of STRATCOM is on Obama's target list? If it were even true (doubtful), I'm sure even he could conure up a better plan than planting phony poker chips on the guy! Plenty of GOs have done dumber things...
Lawman Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 Should have fired them sooner? Should prosecute them? What could they have done to avoid the appearance of that? Not asking to be a douche, interested in what else they could have done since I'm coming up empty. As I often do. No they share blame so yeah fire the guys, I'm saying what has really changed to deter anybody from hitting us again in a similar way. We didn't do anything up near mustang ramp other than put in a few T walls, same as many of the other fobs I was on after the attack. That is hardly a refocus on security that you would expect after something like this happens. I'm not gonna go into detailed list of faults as Bad guys read the internet too, but for an example maybe it's time to put the guys writing speeding tickets on guard duty. 1
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