Viewing Big 10 football in the south

[Guest WXboy]

Keeping this civil!?! Way to derail this thread.

Ha, true but It was a dead argument, we are never going to sway each other's opinions, even if we use facts and records, we still love our teams, that's what dedicated fans do!

[Guest FUBAR]

The bigger question is why would you want to watch big 10 football when you're now in the land of REAL football- SEC!!! Forget about watching the insignificant and start watching the real deal.

Amen brother! Just what I was thinking. ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

[airmanjerm]

Amen brother! Just what I was thinking. ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!

Awesome, and amen back! Roll Tide! (Class of 07!)

[Guest WXboy]

yeah we saw how overrated they were last year, and ranked top 5 again??

[JS]

yeah we saw how overrated they were last year, and ranked top 5 again??

WOW!!! An Ohio State fan calling an undefeated team from arguably the toughest conference overrated? What next - is Penn State underrated?

[Timbonez]

WOW!!! An Ohio State fan calling an undefeated team from arguably the toughest conference overrated? What next - is Penn State underrated?

Uh yeah.

[JS]

Ha, true but It was a dead argument, we are never going to sway each other's opinions, even if we use facts and records, we still love our teams, that's what dedicated fans do!

Very true words indeed. If facts, numbers, and logic applied, Auburn would only have 1/12th of the total number of fans as intrastate rival Alabama, considering that Alabama has won 12 indisputable national championships compared to the farm school's meager one championship. But, like you said, records and facts can't sway another's opinion when it comes to college football. The Aubies will still love their team, because that is indeed what dedicated fans do:

[slacker]

considering that Alabama has won 12 indisputable national championships compared to the farm school's meager one championship.

Here's the truth about bama's NCs:

That 'TWELVE' national championships is fraudulent, nothing but pure bunk ginned up by the SID Department. Here's a rundown:

1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn't exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.

The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 - 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 - Current.

1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!

1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!

1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!

1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!

1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC.

1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.

1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.

1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games. Yet Bammer has no shame in claiming it of course.

1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.

1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.

1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.

You can see why people ridicule Bama fans when they talk about 12 NCs. The early ones were awarded by individuals years after the games were played. These weren't consensus polls but NCs awarded by people that had their own formula for determining champions. Some NCs where given before bowl games that Bama lost. Using Alabama logic, Auburn could claim four national championships. But when Bammers brag they like to say they have twelve and Auburn has one. How silly. The NCAA recognizes 6 NCs for Bama and there are only two NCs that Bama has unanimously. You can't find an Auburn site claiming four national championships but there are plenty Bama sites claiming twelve. Debunking the Alabama National Championship myths.

At the same time, Auburn could claim at 5 national titles using the Bammer methods.

1913- Auburn went 8-0 and claimed the NC in the Billingsley Poll.

1957-AP national Champions.

1983-Auburn went 11-1, played the nation's toughest schedule, and won the national title in The New York Times, Sagarin, Billingsley, Rothman and College Football Researchers Association

1993-Auburn went 11-0 and won the national title by the National Championship Foundation .

2004- Auburn became only the second team in SEC history to go 13-0. Auburn even beat SEC East champion Tennessee twice. Auburn was awarded the national title by the first People's National Championship Poll, Golf Digest, and The Eufaula Times.

AUBURN only claims the 1957 national title. HOWEVER..IF Alabama can claim some of the ones that they claim, we have ever right to claim the ones above.

Bama...legends in their own minds!!

Bama almost won another national championship recently. But this one was for US counties with the highest cancer risk- 12th out of 3,223 counties. There is always next year.

Around the same time that the suck in tuscaloosa came in 12th, Auburn was voted #2 for best places to live in the US by US News and World report.

You bama fans better hope for a 9 win season or you'll finish the decade less than .500.

Keep that bama pride rolling...

[Guest ATB]

Going on recent history, maybe when the big ten doesnt choke in the big games they will get more attention. They went 1-6 in bowl games this year, their one win coming against S. Carolina, a decent program, but far from a dominant anything.

...they did beat Ohio State two years in a row in the '01 and '02 Outback Bowls.

[JS]

That 'TWELVE' national championships is fraudulent, nothing but pure bunk ginned up by the SID Department. Here's a rundown:

1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn't exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.

The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 - 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 - Current.

1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!

1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!

1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!

1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!

1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC.

1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.

1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.

1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games. Yet Bammer has no shame in claiming it of course.

1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.

1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.

1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.

You can see why people ridicule Bama fans when they talk about 12 NCs. The early ones were awarded by individuals years after the games were played. These weren't consensus polls but NCs awarded by people that had their own formula for determining champions. Some NCs where given before bowl games that Bama lost. Using Alabama logic, Auburn could claim four national championships. But when Bammers brag they like to say they have twelve and Auburn has one. How silly. The NCAA recognizes 6 NCs for Bama and there are only two NCs that Bama has unanimously. You can't find an Auburn site claiming four national championships but there are plenty Bama sites claiming twelve. Debunking the Alabama National Championship myths.

At the same time, Auburn could claim at 5 national titles using the Bammer methods.

1913- Auburn went 8-0 and claimed the NC in the Billingsley Poll.

1957-AP national Champions.

1983-Auburn went 11-1, played the nation's toughest schedule, and won the national title in The New York Times, Sagarin, Billingsley, Rothman and College Football Researchers Association

1993-Auburn went 11-0 and won the national title by the National Championship Foundation .

2004- Auburn became only the second team in SEC history to go 13-0. Auburn even beat SEC East champion Tennessee twice. Auburn was awarded the national title by the first People's National Championship Poll, Golf Digest, and The Eufaula Times.

AUBURN only claims the 1957 national title. HOWEVER..IF Alabama can claim some of the ones that they claim, we have ever right to claim the ones above.

Bama...legends in their own minds!!

Way too complicated for an average Alabamian to understand. But I guess with enough legalese and wordiness, one can "untruth" anything:

This depiction from an official website is much easier to understand:

Edited August 9, 2009 by JS

[JS]

Also, a quick Google search shines some more light on the subject:

[slacker]

Google

Edited August 10, 2009 by slacker

[Timbonez]

This depiction from an official website is much easier to understand:

- "Official" but biased

- Easier to understand for those who attended the University of Alabama

[Red Fox]

I finally decided to respond to the WX Boy about the SEC. I'll mostly write about Auburn, since I'm an alum.

First, War Damn Eagle! to Slacker and any other Auburn grads on the board.

I take it that WX Boy is an Ohio State grad since that is where his allegiance is. So I'll contrast, Auburn with Ohio State. Auburn has less than half the students of OSU, but boasts 50% more astronauts as alum than OSU (6 to 4). Also, 2 of the last 3 Chairmen of the JCS are Auburn alum. As a personal experience, I know of ONLY one pilot in my long AF career that is an Ohio State alum. I'm willing to bet that Auburn (a school far smaller than OSU) produces more pilot candidates for the military.

Now I'm sure WX Boy can come back with stats of his own, but that is not the point. WX Boy, I'm not disparaging OSU, like you are the SEC. I'm sure OSU is a fine school. It certainly has a larger source for $$ than most (maybe all) SEC schools. Auburn does well for what it is (a small state land grant university). It has one of the best vet schools and fisheries schools in the nation. When I was in Aerospace Engineering (yes, that is an offered degree), I got to study rocket propulsion under one of the top men in his field.

Now about SEC football. The schools in the Big 10 don't have to compete as much for recruits as the SEC. The SEC has a smaller population base to draw on and has to compete with ACC schools (FSU, Clemson, Miami, etc.). Auburn is smaller in population than Kent State (as are other SEC schools), yet is able to compete in a major conference and though its been 50 years since it has won a national football championship, it does well for a school its size.

The final nail is that Jimmy Buffet went to Auburn. That trumps all!

Red

[slacker]

1st- War Eagle Red Fox.

2nd- Wxboy- looks like viewing Big 10 ball shouldn't be that tough with the Big 10 Network. Sounds like the Big 10 did well with this TV deal.

Rivals

[EnriquePallazo]

Comparing famous Alums:

Or this Gentleman: