2009 Fort Hood Shooting

[Guest sog]

This comes up pretty regularly -- but if you're well-qualified for a given civilian job (e.g. you're an engineer or a doctor or something), and you live in an area with lots of those jobs available, in close proximity to your unit, is it really impossible to hold down a 40-hr/wk job without min-running the unit? What if you track down a job that will let you work a 40-hr schedule that is pretty flexible?

Edited March 25, 2010 by sog

[JarheadBoom]

This comes up pretty regularly -- but if you're well-qualified for a given civilian job (e.g. you're an engineer or a doctor or something), and you live in an area with lots of those jobs available, in close proximity to your unit, is it really impossible to hold down a 40-hr/wk job without min-running the unit? What if you track down a job that will let you work a 40-hr schedule that is pretty flexible?

My .civ employer was cool with me working four 10hr shifts, with every Friday off, when I went back to work after my school tour was done. The Friday AM local at WRI is the most reliably-scheduled flight for me to maintain my currency while I'm in TR mode, so that's what I "negotiated" with them.

When I proposed the idea to them, I made it seem like I was doing them a favor by knowing exactly when I'd be there and when I wouldn't, rather than doing a shotgun-pattern of "Oh, by the way, I gotta fly with the AF, so I won't be here tomorrow." Make it seem like they're getting a better deal out of it than you are.

[Guest sog]

My .civ employer was cool with me working four 10hr shifts, with every Friday off, when I went back to work after my school tour was done. The Friday AM local at WRI is the most reliably-scheduled flight for me to maintain my currency while I'm in TR mode, so that's what I "negotiated" with them.

When I proposed the idea to them, I made it seem like I was doing them a favor by knowing exactly when I'd be there and when I wouldn't, rather than doing a shotgun-pattern of "Oh, by the way, I gotta fly with the AF, so I won't be here tomorrow." Make it seem like they're getting a better deal out of it than you are.

I take it this was an employer you'd worked for previously? Were you eligible for all of the other usual benefits of a typical 40 hr/wk professional?

My concern is that, I don't know where I'll be living so I'll end up working for a new employer. I've heard that the bigger companies are more receptive to people working shifted schedules than smaller firms. I guess I'll just have to see where I end up living, and hope for the best.

[JarheadBoom]

I take it this was an employer you'd worked for previously? Were you eligible for all of the other usual benefits of a typical 40 hr/wk professional?

My concern is that, I don't know where I'll be living so I'll end up working for a new employer. I've heard that the bigger companies are more receptive to people working shifted schedules than smaller firms. I guess I'll just have to see where I end up living, and hope for the best.

No, they are my "current" employer. I'm on .mil leave since I'm on LTMPA orders until the end of the FY (hopefully...). Full benefits - I was/am a full-time employee, just not in the traditional "8hrs/day, 40hrs/week" mold. Both the HR folks and the Director of Maintenance were/are 100% on-board with my schedule, as long as I worked my 40hrs.

I have no idea re: small firm vs. big firm as far as the reception to odd schedule requests. I just made sure that when I pitched the idea to them, I only briefly mentioned my need to maintain flying currency with the AF, and kept the emphasis on their benefit of consistently knowing that I'd be working/not working the same days every week.

[M2]

Hasan’s no longer at BAMC…

Army Base Shooting Suspect Moved to Jail

BELTON, Texas (AP) The Army psychiatrist charged in the deadly shooting

last year at the Fort Hood military base was transferred early Friday from a

military hospital to a jail near the Army post, his attorney said.

Maj. Nidal Hasan's attorney, John Galligan, told The Associated Press that a

Fort Hood official confirmed that Hasan was airlifted to the jail around 4

a.m.

Galligan said he was concerned that authorities did not notify him of the

transfer in advance as promised. One of Hasan's relatives visited him

Thursday night at San Antonio's Brooke Army Medical Center but was told

Friday that Hasan was not there, Galligan said.

Hasan was listed as a Bell County Jail inmate as of Friday morning,

according to the jail's online records.

Hasan had been at the military hospital since shortly after the Nov. 5

shooting spree, which left him paralyzed. He is charged with 13 counts of

premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder.

He faces an Article 32 hearing, similar to a grand jury proceeding, as early

as July 1. After that, a military judge will determine whether there is

enough evidence to go to trial. Prosecutors have not said whether they would

seek the death penalty.

Last month, Bell County commissioners finalized a contract with the military

to house Hasan. Although the jail usually houses military defendants from

nearby Fort Hood, which does not have holding facilities, a special

agreement was required for Hasan because "unusual and extraordinary security

measures" were necessary, Bell County Sheriff Dan Smith has said.

The sheriff previously said he would provide details about transferring and

housing Hasan only after he was at the jail. Smith did not immediately

return a call seeking comment Friday morning.

Galligan has said the 183-day jail contract to house Hasan began March 31,

the day Hasan was given a medical discharge to leave the military hospital.

Adios, motherfucker!

[Vertigo]

Hasan’s no longer at BAMC…

He better hope there's ad seg unit at the jail, otherwise he'll probably be back in the hospital soon enough.

[amcflyboy]

He better hope there's ad seg unit at the jail, otherwise he'll probably be back in the hospital soon enough.

Ah fuck him! Perhaps that's the plan all along!

[AEWingsMN]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/05/fox-exclusive-new-photo-fort-hood-shooter/?test=latestnews

"his lawyer says he's paralyzed from the nipple down"

[M2]

Wow, tough to believe it'll be three years this November. The Webster Commission just its findings to the FBI...

Webster Commission Releases Report on Ft Hood Shooting

Judge William H. Webster has delivered to the FBI the Final Report of the William H. Webster Commission on The Federal Bureau of Investigation, Counterterrorism Intelligence, and the Events at Fort Hood, Texas, on November 5, 2009. An unclassified version of the report can be found here (pdf). A copy of Judge Webster’s transmission letter can be found here (pdf).

The FBI requested a full investigation of the manner in which the FBI and its Joint Terrorism Task Forces handled and acted on counterterrorism intelligence before and after the Fort Hood shootings, as well as a review and assessment of the FBI’s governing authorities and the FBI’s remedial measures after the Fort Hood shootings. The investigation did not probe the shootings, which are the subject of a U.S. Army-led inquiry and military criminal proceeding against Major Nidal Hasan. The FBI and Department of Justice provided the commission with more than 100 formal and informal interviews, meetings, and briefings, and more than 10,000 pages of documents. The commission also consulted with outside experts on counterterrorism and intelligence operations, information technology, and violent extremism; public interest groups; and staff from congressional committees with responsibility for oversight of the FBI.

The commission found shortcomings in FBI policy guidance, technology, information review protocols, and training, and made 18 important recommendations for corrective and enhancing measures in those areas. The FBI concurs with the principles underlying all the recommendations and has already taken action to implement them based on a combination of the commission’s work, the FBI’s own internal review of the Fort Hood shootings, and the report of the U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

The commission also found that, working in the context of the FBI’s pre-Fort Hood authorities, policies, operational capabilities, and technology, personnel who handled counterintelligence information made mistakes. The final report concludes, however: “We do not find, and do not suggest, that these mistakes resulted from intentional misconduct or the disregard of duties. Indeed, we find that each special agent, intelligence analyst, and task force officer who handled the [intelligence] information acted with good intent.”

Judge Webster appointed five seasoned investigators and legal specialists from the private sector to serve as commissioners. “Their contributions of time and energy were substantial and an act of selfless patriotism,” Judge Webster said. The final report contains the names and biographies of commission members.

“As a former FBI Director, Director of Central Intelligence, and federal judge, Judge Webster was uniquely qualified to undertake this task and look at the procedures and actions involved in this matter. I want to thank Judge Webster and his team for their thorough investigation of the FBI’s handling of its responsibilities related to the Ft. Hood shootings of November 5, 2009,” said Director Robert S. Mueller, III. “We constantly strive to improve our policies and procedures, and I appreciate the final report’s acknowledgement of the actions that the FBI has taken since the shootings. Some of these actions were taken in response to our internal review, and others were part of the FBI’s ongoing commitment to improving its effectiveness.”

Below is the FBI’s response to each of the Webster Commission’s 18 recommendations.

Press inquiries concerning the Webster Commission and its final report should be directed to the National Press Office at (202) 324-3691.

FBI Response to the Final Report of the Judge William H. Webster Commission on The Federal Bureau of Investigation, Counterterrorism Intelligence, and the Events at Fort Hood, Texas, on November 5, 2009

The Webster Commission makes 18 recommendations for corrective and enhancing measures regarding FBI policy and operations, information technology, and training. The FBI concurs with the principles underlying all the recommendations and has already taken action to implement them based on the commission’s work, the FBI’s own internal review of the Fort Hood shootings, and the report of the U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

Policies: The Webster Commission recommended that the FBI promulgate formal written policies related to the command-and-control of counterterrorism operations between FBI Headquarters and its field offices, the responsibility for investigative leads set from one field office to another, the resolution of inter-office disputes, and assignment and completion of leads. Most of these recommendations focus on the formalization of existing and longstanding FBI practices and procedures. The FBI recognizes the value of written policy and agrees with the recommendations. The FBI also expects its agents, analysts, and other personnel to use sound judgment in conducting thorough investigations, and to take responsibility for bringing issues to resolution. The organizational structure of the FBI also achieves in large part the objectives of the recommended written policies.

Webster Commission Recommendation on Counterterrorism Command-and Control Hierarchy

• The FBI has undergone many changes since September 11 to prevent terrorist attacks, and key among those changes was centralizing command-and-control of counterterrorism operations in the Counterterrorism Division (CTD) at FBI Headquarters. The CTD assistant director provides direction for all counterterrorism matters, including counterterrorism operations.
  
• The FBI has issued guidance to all offices on national management and oversight of counterterrorism matters that identifies CTD entities with responsibility for specific counterterrorism mission areas.
  
  Webster Commission Recommendation on Ownership of Counterterrorism Leads
  • As noted by the commission, FBI practice has long been that offices assigned counterterrorism leads have ultimate responsibility for their timely and diligent completion.
    
  • The FBI has issued formal written policy that requires offices to complete all leads within specific timeframes. The office assigned the lead is responsible for its resolution.
    
  • In addition, more than two years ago, the FBI simplified lead categories. The FBI eliminated “discretionary leads,” such that leads may only be “information only” or action leads.
    
    Webster Commission Recommendation on Inter-Office Disagreements in the Counterterrorism Context
    • The FBI has issued guidance on the resolution of inter-office disagreements.
      
    • Offices must work to resolve disagreements through the chain-of-command. As necessary, the assistant director in charge of the Counterterrorism Division is the official responsible for final decisions.
      
      Webster Commission Recommendation on Completion of Routine Counterterrorism Leads
      • The FBI has issued formal written policy that requires offices to complete all leads within specific timeframes.
        
        Webster Commission Recommendation on Leads for Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) Task Force Officers
        • The FBI agrees that there may be situations in which the assignment of a JTTF task force officer as lead investigator may not be in the best interest of the investigation.
          
        • The FBI also recognizes and values the unique contributions of its task force officers, including their specialized knowledge and familiarity with their home agency’s systems and procedures, and will assess the proper assignment for each investigation based on the circumstances of each case.
          
          Webster Commission Recommendations on Counterterrorism Assessments of Law Enforcement and Other Government Personnel
          • As the commission notes, the FBI implemented, within weeks of the Fort Hood attacks, an information-sharing agreement with the Department of Defense regarding counterterrorism investigations of military personnel. The Webster Commission described this information-sharing agreement as important, noting that it “assures that, as a matter of written policy, the FBI will provide timely and consistent notice of counterterrorism assessments and investigations” of Defense Department personnel.
            
          • Consistent with the commission’s recommendation, the FBI is pursuing similar arrangements regarding other federal, state, and local government employees.
            
            Integrating Intelligence and Operations: The Webster Commission reported that it was impressed with the quality and commitment of the FBI’s intelligence analysts and the integration of analysts into the FBI’s work.
            
            Webster Commission Recommendation on Continued Integration of Intelligence Analysts into Operations
            • As the report recognized, the FBI has already taken significant steps to strengthen its integration of intelligence and operations.
              
            • The Counterterrorism Division has created a strategic analytical and operational branch that includes multiple threat-based fusion cells, responsible for ensuring counterterrorism operations and collection are focused on priority threats. The deputy assistant director who leads this branch is an intelligence analyst.
              
            • The FBI continues to examine innovative ways to integrate intelligence and operations throughout the organization.
              
              Information Technology: The commission recommended that the FBI employ various enterprise data management and data integration applications designed to aid the FBI in reviewing, analyzing, managing, and acting on information and implement protocols for reviewing such information. In many cases, the FBI has already addressed the commission’s recommendations, including by implementing data management and integration projects and policies designed to help agents, analysts, task force officers, and other personnel more effectively review, evaluate, and exploit information. Due in part to the rapidly evolving nature of information technology, and the FBI’s numerous initiatives to upgrade its technology, much of the technology and tools in place at the time of the attack and reviewed by the Webster Commission have been replaced with more advanced technology over the span of a year or more. As recognized by the Webster Commission, many of these crucial technologies will require additional funding.
              
              Webster Commission Recommendation on Expediting Enterprise Data Management
              • The FBI—like the rest of the U.S. intelligence community—has focused enterprise data management projects on eliminating “stove-piped” database architecture in order to move toward our goal of collecting and storing data as a service.
                
                Webster Commission Recommendation on Expanding and Enhancing the Data Integration and Visualization System
                • Data Integration and Visualization System (DIVS) is one important step in the FBI’s broader Enterprise Data Aggregation Plan. DIVS evolves as technology improves and as new data is received. Today’s DIVS is beginning to use technology that existed only in concept at the time of the Fort Hood shootings.
                  
                • DIVS enables FBI personnel today to use a single logon and user interface to conduct complex searches across the FBI’s most critical data holdings, triage and visualize the results, and integrate the data into analytical tools—all capabilities that did not exist at the time of the Fort Hood shootings. Since the commission’s initial review of DIVS, the number of FBI and non-FBI data sets accessible to DIVS has grown considerably.
                  
                • The FBI is working to implement a majority of DIVS’ planned analytical capabilities by this fall. As the technology industry continues to develop electronic means to extract and understand concepts from data, the FBI must focus on and invest in these technologies.
                  

                Webster Commission Recommendation on DWS-EDMS

                [*]In 2009, the FBI initiated a multi-phased modernization effort to enhance the Data Warehouse System/Electronic-Surveillance Data Management System (DWS-EDMS). The FBI has adopted a new and more effective search engine for DWS-EDMS.

                [*]The FBI has already invested in hardware necessary for a technical refresh and to enable a disaster recovery capability for DWS-EDMS. As stated in the report, further investment is necessary to implement an automated live recovery capability.

                Webster Commission Recommendation on Acquisition of Advanced Information Search, Filtering, Retrieval, and Management Technologies

                [*]The FBI has begun implementing an enterprise knowledge-management application that will provide advanced search and analytic tools to review and manage a wide variety of data. Among other things, these tools will help FBI personnel organize intelligence and discover non-obvious connections.

                [*]The FBI is also deploying the next generation of tools to process content within DWS-EDMS; these tools will enable advanced search and other capabilities.

                [*]As the technology industry continues to develop electronic means to extract and understand concepts from data, the FBI must focus on and invest in these technologies.

                Webster Commission Recommendation on Review Protocols for Large Strategic Collections of Data

                [*]The FBI is in the process of finalizing protocols to manage the review of large strategic collections of data.

                Governing Authorities: The Webster Commission conducted a broad review of the FBI’s governing authorities and procedures as they relate to counterterrorism operations. The commission reports these authorities and procedures strike an appropriate balance between detecting and disrupting threats and respecting civil rights and civil liberties. The commission also made recommendations regarding the need for the FBI Office of Integrity and Compliance and Inspection Division to conduct internal compliance reviews and audits to ensure compliance with all policies and procedures that protect civil liberties and individual privacy. The FBI supports these recommendations and has taken action to implement them.

                Webster Commission Recommendation on Compliance Reviews and Audits

                [*]The FBI regularly conducts reviews to ensure FBI compliance with its policies and procedures and will conduct the reviews and audits identified by the commission.

                Webster Commission Recommendation on Adherence to Information Security Policies

                [*]The FBI regularly conducts reviews to ensure FBI compliance with its policies and procedures and will conduct the reviews identified by the commission.

                Webster Commission Recommendation for FBI Authorities to Remain in Effect

                [*]The FBI agrees that FBI’s authorities for national security letters, FISA Section 215 business records, roving wiretaps, and FISA “lone wolf” orders are essential tools for protecting national security and should remain in effect.

                Webster Commission Recommendation on Updating Attorney General Guidelines Affecting Extra-Territorial Operations

                [*]Since 2011, the FBI and Department of Justice have been engaged in a joint-effort to update the Attorney General Guidelines.

                Training: Following the shootings, the FBI immediately instituted additional training for all task force officers related to FBI databases and Joint Terrorism Task Force operations. The Webster Commission concluded that the “FBI’s post-Fort Hood enhancements of counterterrorism and JTTF training represent significant improvements.”

                Webster Commission Recommendation on Training Task Force Officers

                [*]The FBI has substantially expanded its task force officer training, including: a mandatory nine-day orientation course, mandatory FBI database training, and mandatory introductory training prior to a task force officer receiving his or her first duty assignment.

                [*]All mandatory courses must be completed within the first 90 days of assignment to the Joint Terrorism Task Force.

                Administrative and Disciplinary Action: At the request of the FBI, the commission considered whether any administrative or disciplinary action should be taken against any FBI personnel. The commission determined that it would not recommend any such action against FBI personnel.

                Resources:

                - Final Report of the Judge William H. Webster Commission on The Federal Bureau of Investigation, Counterterrorism Intelligence, and the Events at Fort Hood, Texas, on November 5, 2009 (unclassified version) (pdf)

                - Transmission Letter from Judge William H. Webster (pdf)

[USAF Pilot]

I guess if Fox news is reporting it that it is real...political correctness is killing us.

"Fort Hood report faults FBI for missteps in Hasan review, cites political correctness"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/19/fort-hood-report-recommends-many-changes-for-fbi-no-disciplinary-action/

[338skybolt]

I guess if Fox news is reporting it that it is real...political correctness is killing us.

"Fort Hood report faults FBI for missteps in Hasan review, cites political correctness"

https://www.foxnews.c...plinary-action/

CNN is reporting it too (albeit in a positive light - go figure): https://www.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/11/18/kenniff.forthood/index.html

[sky_king]

https://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501363_162-57507103/judge-may-order-fort-hood-suspects-beard-shaved/

Latest in the Fort Hood shooting drama. No wonder our nation is approaching the brink of bankruptcy. We wasted time on matters like this. We should have used one more bullet.

[matmacwc]

We haven't shot that dude in the forecranium yet? (Fodder for PYB)

[Toro]

Sequester going strong, civilians being furloughed, Ops units standing down, but at least Hasan is still pulling down a paycheck.

Fort Hood suspect paid $278,000 since 2009 shooting

Somebody want to take a suggestion for cost-conscious culture?

[guineapigfury]

The actual outrage should be directed at the fact that an open-and-shut case has taken almost 4 years to prosecute.

[JarheadBoom]

The Army continues to classify the shooting as "workplace violence", and not as a terrorist attack.

I'm not sure whether I should be hoping that the Army is being driven to this classification from on high... or if I should be hoping that the Army really is that clueless.

Both are scary thoughts.

[HuggyU2]

... a terrorist attack.

So, what exactly is that?

[Fuzz]

https://bigstory.ap.org/article/jury-fort-hood-rampage-resume-deliberations

Hasan guilty on all counts (13 premeditated murder, 32 attempted premeditated murder).

[ThreeHoler]

Imagine that...when his opening argument was "I intend to prove that I killed those people, because I did."

[Spur38]

No death penalty! Just give him, what remains of his usless life, soap to drop in the prison shower and spoiled ham sandwitches .....

Edited August 23, 2013 by Spur38

[NotADude]

That's the question: if he wants the death penalty so he can still be a martyr, what do you do? Withhold it so he doesn't achieve his goal, or give him the death penalty (that he deserves) and potentially make him happy?

Edited August 23, 2013 by NotADude

[Fuzz]

He's going to burn in hell, now or in 40 years when he kicks the bucket, one option doesn't mean my tax money going to pay for this POS housing, food AND medical treatment.

[busdriver]

Well, that depends on the question "why do we have a death penalty"?

Agreed, who gives a shit what he thinks. The question is how would his execution be perceived in the Muslim world? "Martyrdom" might inspire more would be assholes, but then again imprisonment might become a rallying cry.

Do Judges have access to cultural specialists?

[Fuzz]

Agreed, who gives a shit what he thinks. The question is how would his execution be perceived in the Muslim world? "Martyrdom" might inspire more would be assholes, but then again imprisonment might become a rallying cry.

Do Judges have access to cultural specialists?

I forget who it was but sometime during the beginning of the wars, there was discussion about martyrs and their perception in the Muslim world, but said something to the effect of "I want them to have so many martyrs they can't keep track of them"

Off this dude and move on, the Muslim world will forget him in a week between Syria, Egypt, Afghanistan, and the Palestinians they'll probably have another martyr by the end of the day.

[busdriver]

Off this dude and move on, the Muslim world will forget him in a week between Syria, Egypt, Afghanistan, and the Palestinians they'll probably have another martyr by the end of the day.

Agree, life imprison makes him a rally cry for the rest of his life.