Guest SuiSideburns Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 I want to get an idea of how long things take (training date wise) for people who get hired from a guard/reserve unit. I understand that there are many factors invovled (waivers, holidays, guard bureau workload, etc...) could everyone post how long it took to get dates and what dates they got at what time? This could give new hires a rough estimate of what kind of time frame they're looking at for their training. Here's my info: Hire date: June 2009 (for fiscal year 2011) Package submitted to guard bureau: October 2009 Brooks dates received: 16 December 2009 MFS at Brooks: 5 Jan 2010 As of now I still haven't received any dates for AMS, IFS or UPT It's weird because I know some people are getting their dates for Brooks, AMS, IFS and UPT all in one shot and some people aren't.
Guest Lockjaw25 Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 Took me over 7 months to get any sort of dates...and then I only had my AMS class date. Had to wait another three for UPT dates. YMMV.
Getzen2 Posted December 26, 2009 Posted December 26, 2009 From what I was told, they are giving AMS, IFS, UPT dates after you are medically cleared by Brooks due to the delays in waivers and such. I received mine two months after Brooks.
SQUAWK3274 Posted December 29, 2009 Posted December 29, 2009 (edited) My brief Reserve timeline.. Hire: March 2009 Brooks: May 2009 AFRC Board: Sept 2009 AFRC Decision Results: November 2009 OTS: March 2010 IFS: June 2010 UPT: September 2010 It actually went about as smooth as it could have gone for me. All in all 1 year from hire to OTS. Hope that helps. Edited September 5, 2010 by SQUAWK3274
Guest Q36 Posted January 19, 2010 Posted January 19, 2010 I have heard a couple of different things regarding to being on active orders once you start pilot training. Once you start IFS are you typically on orders till you are done with RTU? And what is the typical break between IFS and UPT? And UPT and RTU for Vipers? Hire: Nov 09 Brooks: Jan 10 I believe my paperwork is almost ready to be sent to the guard bureau. Palace Chase, so no AMS.
summe32c Posted January 19, 2010 Posted January 19, 2010 It CAN be pretty quick. I got hired in April 09' AMS OCT 5 IFS Feb 8 coming up! UPT April 27 At least for me no, I am not on orders constantly. My orders dropped grad day from AMS to pick back up Feb 7, drop off again till April 3. I got lucky with my civilian job as they let me come and go through training.
Guest pilotapplicant Posted January 21, 2010 Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) There seems to be no "standard" time to start UPT. It seems to ebb and flow at the Guard Bureau. I was hired the same day as another guy but his packet got to the NGB a couple weeks before mine. He was at AMS and UPT eight months before me. I started AMS eleven months after hire and UPT at month 14. From UPT to Viper RTU has been getting quicker all the time. Right now the average seems to be UPT graduation to RTU start of about six months. You will need to complete IFF and some guys are also knocking out land survival. This also varies from as little as four months to up to about eight months from the dozen or so guys I know at ENJJPT that are in the pipeline. Cheers, Pilotapplicant Edited January 21, 2010 by pilotapplicant
Guest SonofaCrewchief Posted February 22, 2010 Posted February 22, 2010 Interviewed: April '09 Hired: June '09 Brooks: 1 Feb '10 AMS: 15 Mar '10 IFS: 25 May '10 UPT: 23 July '10
JBueno Posted February 26, 2010 Posted February 26, 2010 Just got my IFS dates moved up 2 months. Anyone else in that boat?
Guest Q36 Posted April 8, 2010 Posted April 8, 2010 Just got the rest of my dates. Hire: Nov 09 Brooks: Jan 10 IFS: 8 Sep UPT: Nov 10 I heard AD guys aren't getting to RTU as quick as ANG/AFRC. Any truth to that?
Guest pilotapplicant Posted April 11, 2010 Posted April 11, 2010 Seems that most of the RTUs are back to a more normal flow for AD and Guard/Reserve. My class that just graduated UPT last week has about an average UPT-RTU time of about six months for C-Model,E-Model and Viper dudes. A reservist A-10 guy starts RTU in about three months but the active duty A-10 guy only has a date of fiscal year 11 or maybe 12. So the answer is it still depends but F-15 and F-16 RTUs seem to be working "normally". I start RTU five and a half months after UPT graduation and most of my time will be full between survival schools, IFF, a PCS and some leave. It felt like a long time when I got the dates but when I started to schedule leave and the PCS it seems about optimum. Cheers, Pilotapplicant
Guest indasoup Posted May 13, 2010 Posted May 13, 2010 Just got my dates: Interview: Feb 2009 Hired: Feb 2009 Brooks: Oct 2009 AMS: Sept 2010 IFS: TBD ? UPT: June 2011 Does anyone want to trade for IFS and UPT dates that start sooner? I have been waiting a long time?
Guest Bini Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 (edited) Just got my dates: Interview: Feb 2009 Hired: Feb 2009 Brooks: Oct 2009 AMS: Sept 2010 IFS: TBD ? UPT: June 2011 Does anyone want to trade for IFS and UPT dates that start sooner? I have been waiting a long time? How/when were you notified of your AMS date? I've been told by multiple people that AMS class rosters weren't going to be released till later in the summer, but thankfully it looks like they were wrong. I have about the same time line as you and it has been a long wait! Edited May 14, 2010 by Bini
Guest indasoup Posted May 18, 2010 Posted May 18, 2010 How/when were you notified of your AMS date? I've been told by multiple people that AMS class rosters weren't going to be released till later in the summer, but thankfully it looks like they were wrong. I have about the same time line as you and it has been a long wait! I was notified via email from my unit POC.
Guest Bini Posted July 7, 2010 Posted July 7, 2010 My timeline as a non-prior: Interviewed: Feb. 2009 Selected: March 2009 Enlisted: May 2009 Brooks: Nov. 2009 AMS: Sept 2010 IFS: Jan 2011 UPT: April 2011 - Vance Will be two years from selection to UPT.
Guest MN C130 Posted July 13, 2010 Posted July 13, 2010 Originally Enlisted in North Dakota Guard Hired out of Minneapolis, Minnesota Air National Guard Flying the C-130 This is time line so far... No Wavier, No Issues Just Transfer Took Little Extra Time Package Sent in May 31 2009 Email for Interview June 2009 Interview End of July 2009 Second Interview Early August 2009 Officially Got Job November 2009 Transferred to the Hiring Guard Unit December 2009 Brooks Dates 15 March 2010 AMS Dates 13 Sept 2010 IFS Jan-Feb 2011 UPT Columbus, MS for a year Starting Mar-April 2011
Guest stamfordblue7 Posted July 15, 2010 Posted July 15, 2010 These timelines seem incredibly disheartening... Did it seem shorter after actually getting the select, or did the anticipation make it worse?
kapilot Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 (edited) These timelines seem incredibly disheartening... Did it seem shorter after actually getting the select, or did the anticipation make it worse? $0.02 Nothing happens quickly in the Air Force. The sooner you adapt to that the easier things are. Stay on top of things though. Get use to the hurry up and wait mentality, it will serve you well as a pilot. Enjoy where you are now and spend time with loved ones while you can. Hired- March 09 Brooks- July 09 AFRC board- Sept 09 OTS- March 10 IFS- Jul 10 UPT- Sept 10 Edited July 16, 2010 by kapilot
Guest stamfordblue7 Posted July 18, 2010 Posted July 18, 2010 (edited) Yeah, I've been in the whole process for about two years now and have figured out the hurry-up and wait mentality is pervasive across the entire service... I just feel like it may be one of those things where it feels like forever when you are in the middle of it, but then you look back and it was a flash... Edited July 18, 2010 by stamfordblue7
Guest 12XU2A3X3 Posted July 30, 2010 Posted July 30, 2010 Seems that most of the RTUs are back to a more normal flow for AD and Guard/Reserve. My class that just graduated UPT last week has about an average UPT-RTU time of about six months for C-Model,E-Model and Viper dudes. A reservist A-10 guy starts RTU in about three months but the active duty A-10 guy only has a date of fiscal year 11 or maybe 12. So the answer is it still depends but F-15 and F-16 RTUs seem to be working "normally". I start RTU five and a half months after UPT graduation and most of my time will be full between survival schools, IFF, a PCS and some leave. It felt like a long time when I got the dates but when I started to schedule leave and the PCS it seems about optimum. Cheers, Pilotapplicant how long is IFF?
The Lefty Posted September 29, 2010 Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) Finally got my friggin dates: Hired - January 2010 Brooks - June 2010 AMS - March 2011 IFS - May 2011 H20 Survival - June 2011 UPT - July 2011 (Columbus) Prior Enlisted, BTW Edited September 29, 2010 by LegalViper
Bayou_Eagle_Driver Posted September 29, 2010 Posted September 29, 2010 Finally got my friggin dates: Hired - January 2010 Brooks - June 2010 AMS - March 2011 IFS - May 2011 H20 Survival - June 2011 UPT - July 2011 (Columbus) Prior Enlisted, BTW Interesting timeline. I'm waiting on the official word right now. I did Brooks July 26th, and was told that I should expect 11-03 AMS class (Jan). Do you know when you're package was submitted to the NGB? Did you have any waivers at Brooks?
The Lefty Posted September 30, 2010 Posted September 30, 2010 Interesting timeline. I'm waiting on the official word right now. I did Brooks July 26th, and was told that I should expect 11-03 AMS class (Jan). Do you know when you're package was submitted to the NGB? Did you have any waivers at Brooks? No waivers at Brooks. As for submitting my package, I had my stuff turned around to MPF by the first week in February, but I'm pretty sure they didn't get it off until April-ish (not that I'm surprised).
Bayou_Eagle_Driver Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Dates dropped this past week (prior enlisted): Hired - June 2010 Brooks - July 2010 (waiver recommended) Waiver Received - October 2010 AMS - Jan 2011 CST/Parachute - March 2011 Water Survival - April 2011 IFS - May 2011 ENJJPT - July 2011 Gonna be a busy 2011....
whall85 Posted October 22, 2010 Posted October 22, 2010 Dates dropped this past week (prior enlisted): Hired - June 2010 Brooks - July 2010 (waiver recommended) Waiver Received - October 2010 AMS - Jan 2011 CST/Parachute - March 2011 Water Survival - April 2011 IFS - May 2011 ENJJPT - July 2011 Gonna be a busy 2011.... How long did it take for you to be officially hired? I only ask because I was told that I would have to undergo a commissioning physical at my unit (Andrews AFB) and other batteries of paperwork before I would be officially sworn in. Is this similar to what you went through? My "dates" so far: Selected for FY'12 UPT slot - 28 September Released from IRR (Inactive Ready Reserve) - 08 October ANGOTS - ?? IFS - ?? UPT - ??
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