Jump to content

C-17 Down on Elmendorf

uhhello

By uhhello
in General Discussion

 Share

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 257
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

Toro
Toro

Pissing contest removed. If you want to talk about AIBs, SIBs and other issues of such, start a new thread or take it out of respect for the crew

ExBoneOSO
ExBoneOSO

Those were the days...

USAF Pilot
USAF Pilot

To my friends, Jeff, Mike, Aaron, and Tom, you are gone but not forgotten. Sitka 43 28 Jul 2010 @ 1823L

Posted Images

pcola Gray Beard

pcola

Posted
Posted

Saw it today.... Twice.

Agreed.

The message is bad...the animation is horrific. Can't stop thinking about it. Godspeed to the crew, and heartfelt condolences to the families. I encourage every aviator on this forum to find a way to access both, share them w/your sq bros, talk about it, and most importantly, learn.

CHS17 Crew Dawg

CHS17

Posted
Posted

The message is bad...the animation is horrific.

I think I know what you mean, but I would clarify the contents of the message and animation. I thought the animation was well put together.

pcola Gray Beard

pcola

Posted
Posted

I think I know what you mean, but I would clarify the contents of the message and animation. I thought the animation was well put together.

Yes, very well put together. Trying to relay how I felt after watching it w/out compromising any PI.

Hercster Crew Dawg

Hercster

Posted
Posted

Saw the actual footage the tower recorded of the mishap. That coupled with the audio track was almost too much. The silence in the room was quite palpable.

C-21.Pilot Flight Lead

C-21.Pilot

Posted
Posted

Saw the actual footage the tower recorded of the mishap. That coupled with the audio track was almost too much. The silence in the room was quite palpable.

Saw the same thing on Friday. The last 2-3 seconds of "audible" was quite disturbing. I hope the family never hears/sees.

Definitely a learning tool....haven't seen the animation yet. Don't think I'm going to.

Toro Gray Beard

Toro

Posted
Posted

I tried to go through my SE shop to get this (which unfortunately is the NAF at a non-flying location) and was given the "Why do you want to see this?" followed by silence. If anybody can get steer me in the right direction, please PM.

ClearedHot Gray Beard

ClearedHot

Posted
Posted

I tried to go through my SE shop to get this (which unfortunately is the NAF at a non-flying location) and was given the "Why do you want to see this?" followed by silence. If anybody can get steer me in the right direction, please PM.

Similar issue as I am out of the normal channels. If anyone has a link or other method please PM and I will provide a .mil address.

Techsan Gray Beard

Techsan

Posted
Posted

I know its important to protect those involved & the families, however I don't know why it has to be such a secret to AF pilots. Aren't we supposed to learn from past incidents? Even if that means viewing the animation/audio/PACAF presentation.

I just don't get it when someone looks bewildered or asks "Why do you want to see this?". Because I am an AF pilot & want to make sure accidents don't get repeated!

Butters Gray Beard

Butters

Posted
Posted

I know its important to protect those involved & the families, however I don't know why it has to be such a secret to AF pilots. Aren't we supposed to learn from past incidents? Even if that means viewing the animation/audio/PACAF presentation.

I just don't get it when someone looks bewildered or asks "Why do you want to see this?". Because I am an AF pilot & want to make sure accidents don't get repeated!

I have seen this go back and forth in the safety world. Every pilot needs to see this, I don't care what you fly or flew. The HD video and CVR/FDR are not privilege. So, when the AIB finishes they will be release publicly. No one should have any trouble getting the final safety message, if you are your safety guys need to be reminded what their job is. The safety office is not a vault.

Chuck17 Gray Beard

Chuck17

Posted
Posted

That sucks. If you have wings, you need to at the very least be able to READ this report. That being said, the AIB is due out in the next 1-2 weeks.

Be thankful you didnt/couldnt watch the HD video with the CVR and animation...

Chuck

Hacker Gray Beard

Hacker

Posted
Posted
Be thankful you didnt/couldnt watch the HD video with the CVR and animation...

It's usually the sucker-punch to the gut when seeing such stuff that makes a lasting impression.

Guest Hueypilot812

Guest Hueypilot812

Posted
Posted

I tried to go through my SE shop to get this (which unfortunately is the NAF at a non-flying location) and was given the "Why do you want to see this?" followed by silence. If anybody can get steer me in the right direction, please PM.

If you're a military flyer, you can see it on the basis of using it as a learning tool for mishap prevention. It's not like it's classified info. The SE folks should know that. I work at our SE shop and I'd show the vid to any flyer who may operate an aircraft in the future. It's worthwhile watching simply from the shock value. The findings from the SIB sink in real quick after seeing the video.

Same problem. My safety guy can access the preliminary report and narrative, but looked bewildered when I asked for the PACAF presentation and media.

If your SE shop says they can only get the prelim and narrative (doesn't make sense because the prelim only states factual, non-priv stuff), PM me and I'll tell you what he needs to do, provided he has access to AFSAS.

Techsan Gray Beard

Techsan

Posted
Posted

I remember hearing the CVR w/animation of the C-21 crash up @ Ellsworth. The converstion in the cockpit sounded like any given local that you'd be on until the mishap. Definitely had its shock value, and definitely made a lasting impression.

Guest Crew Report

Guest Crew Report

Posted
Posted
Definitely had its shock value, and definitely made a lasting impression.

This one will also.

  • 5 weeks later...
BattleRattle Crew Dawg

BattleRattle

Posted
Posted

Our squadron just received the SIB information about this with corresponding HD video and animation... just like other people have said, the word WOW doesn't even come close to describing the emotions we all felt (during both the first and subsequent viewings).

Hopefully, this will serve as a learning tool for all.

sky_king Gray Beard

sky_king

Posted
Posted

How does this not apply to 135 pilots? Fuck, it applies to ultralight pilots. That's fucking stupid. This really pisses me off and I'm not even there.

nrodgsxr Flight Lead

nrodgsxr

Posted
Posted

The Wing Chief of Safety (a Nav) at Offutt has decided that this does not apply to 135 Pilots and will not release it to the biggest wing in ACC. Shame, looks like we could all learn a lot from this accident.

He's probably just lazy and doesn't want to ask the SE center to send the videos. If he actually watched it he would realize the lessons to be learned apply to ANY flyer.

Guest

Guest

Posted
Posted

The Wing Chief of Safety (a Nav)

Did you mean to say "a fucking squashbug penguin winged nav?"

old crow Flight Lead

old crow

Posted
Posted

The Wing Chief of Safety (a Nav) at Offutt has decided that this does not apply to 135 Pilots and will not release it to the biggest wing in ACC. Shame, looks like we could all learn a lot from this accident.

Welcome to Offutt!

Guest Crew Report

Guest Crew Report

Posted
Posted

The Wing Chief of Safety (a Nav) at Offutt has decided that this does not apply to 135 Pilots and will not release it to the biggest wing in ACC. Shame, looks like we could all learn a lot from this accident.

Lack of CRM and following rules doesn't apply to RC guys?

Good to know.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...