Max Use or Lose Leave

[JarheadBoom]

The support side is not taking every 1.5 days off per week for leave. They are training during those hours that the doors are not open to customers.

And yet they STILL manage to fuck up the same things, in the same ways, that they were fucking up 6-9 weeks/months/years ago. If they actually are training, they sure as fuck ain't doing it right.

The more you type, the more I become convinced that, in your case, SOF means Shoeclerky Oblivious Fucktard.

[matmacwc]

Sweet I'm:

Standard Operational Fucktard

Stopping Operators Future

Standing On Fellow's

Sweeping Out Feet

Supposed Operators Friend

Shacking Our Friends

Sucking OGs Fucksticks

Such O fuckingbagodouche

[Spinner]

Sweet I'm:

Standard Operational ######tard

Stopping Operators Future

Standing On Fellow's

Sweeping Out Feet

Supposed Operators Friend

Shacking Our Friends

Sucking OGs ######sticks

Such O ######ingbagodouche

I know that O-6 you're referring to...

Oh wait, you're talking about someone else...

[HU&W]

Multiply that technique times every flyer in your squadron. I've seen a lot of spears thrown in here at support functions because they do not work full duty days and weeks. You are advocating 3.5 day work weeks. If everyone in your squadron did that, where would that leave the squadron? Monday through Thursday at noon. Forget whatever training we needed to accomplish on Thursday afternoon and Friday - we are entitled to those days off according to your buddy's logic.

It is that attitude that gives aircrew a bad name - because you blatently bash the support side of the AF for having restricted hours. The support side is not taking every 1.5 days off per week for leave. They are training during those hours that the doors are not open to customers. Think of it as time in the vault for you. They did not learn everything there is to know in tech school, just as you did not learn everything you needed to know in pilot training - they have to continue to train. Frustrating, yes. But when you complain about the support customer service hours and then blatently advertise the tales of "heroes" who take leave every Thursday afternoon until Monday - you are not in an improved position from the support folks' perspective. Your logic here has deteriorated.

To expand this further, your support troops deploy. And they build up leave. What if they followed our buddy's policy? You see where I'm going here yes?

Help your squadron out. Don't take every Thursday afternoon through Monday off. That is unsat - I cannot believe a squadron commander would put up with that. Manage your leave a little more reasonably than that nonsense. As someone posted before, the squadron will go on when you are not there, so take your leave. But whatever you do, multiply your action by the number of folks in your squadron...hopefully that will help you make a prudent decision. If your action multiplied by everyone in the unit would close the doors - you should probably rethink your action.

Your assumption that my friend was a pilot was incorrect. I left out the fact that he was a support guy due to the inevitable spears that would be thrown.

You don't know me. Since I was both enlisted and officer support prior to becoming a pilot I have a deep understanding and respect for those functions and the people performing them. I also understand the weaknesses inherent in that culture. Leave is an entitlement authorized by congress. It should be used to keep the military member's personal and professional life in balance. How you use it should be determined by you and your boss within the rules congress and your service have set. If your boss doesn't like your plan, he can always say no, but that's between you and him.

[guineapigfury]

Your assumption that my friend was a pilot was incorrect. I left out the fact that he was a support guy due to the inevitable spears that would be thrown.

You don't know me. Since I was both enlisted and officer support prior to becoming a pilot I have a deep understanding and respect for those functions and the people performing them. I also understand the weaknesses inherent in that culture. Leave is an entitlement authorized by congress. It should be used to keep the military member's personal and professional life in balance. How you use it should be determined by you and your boss within the rules congress and your service have set. If your boss doesn't like your plan, he can always say no, but that's between you and him.

Easy fix. Make squadrons reimburse servicemembers for excess leave whenever they PCS with more than 60 days accrued. Don't fund squadrons for said leave reimbursement. Bosses will start liking alot more leave plans.

[F-15E WSO]

In the NDAA for FY 2013, there's a section that looks like it extends the 75 day excess leave carryover to end of FY 2015. Assuming the President signs this, am I understanding it right that I might not need to take 75 days of leave in FY 13?

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SEC. 521. EXTENSION OF TEMPORARY INCREASE IN ACCUMULATED LEAVE CARRYOVER FOR MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES.

Section 701(d) of title 10, United States Code, is amended by striking ‘September 30, 2013’ and inserting ‘September 30, 2015’.

https://www.govtrack....112/hr4310/text

Edited January 2, 2013 by F-15E WSO

[Dupe]

Easy fix. Make squadrons reimburse servicemembers for excess leave whenever they PCS with more than 60 days accrued. Don't fund squadrons for said leave reimbursement. Bosses will start liking alot more leave plans.

Parallel technique is to take a boat load of leave in conjunction with a PCS. Not always possible due to formal courses and such, but it sure is nice to final out then grow a beard for a month or two.

[Finance_Guy]

In the NDAA for FY 2013, there's a section that looks like it extends the 75 day excess leave carryover to end of FY 2015. Assuming the President signs this, am I understanding it right that I might not need to take 75 days of leave in FY 13? --------------- SEC. 521. EXTENSION OF TEMPORARY INCREASE IN ACCUMULATED LEAVE CARRYOVER FOR MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES. Section 701(d) of title 10, United States Code, is amended by striking ‘September 30, 2013’ and inserting ‘September 30, 2015’. https://www.govtrack....112/hr4310/text

That is correct, if signed as is. So will you have a 135 day leave balance as of 30 Sep? If so then you'd have to use 75 days, but remember you still can always carry over 60 days. Also, any leave lost can be requested to be restored. You will see your personnel specialist for that, not finance.

[Bobby]

...You will see your personnel specialist for that, not finance.

Haven't seen one of those in years...we still have personnelists in the AF?

[F-15E WSO]

... So will you have a 135 day leave balance as of 30 Sep?

Whoops, I meant 45 days I'd have to take. Thank you FG.

Edited January 2, 2013 by F-15E WSO

[JPStryker]

Interesting note on my Dec LES: COMBAT ZONE LV CARRYOVER BAL = 93.50 EXPIRES 30 SEP 2016

Thought I had to request SLA to carry it three years beyond my deployment. Anyone know if there is a limit on the amount of terminal leave you can take? Leave reg doesn't specify one.

[Azimuth]

I didn't think there was a max, just how much leave you're allowed to carry over each fiscal year.

[HossHarris]

Anyone know if the NDAA passed? if so, was the extension of 75 days included?

[HU&W]

President signs NDAA as written with a caveat that it will be selectively enforced. Sec 521 delays the 75 day carryover until 30 Sep 2015.

[Herk Driver]

Interesting note on my Dec LES: COMBAT ZONE LV CARRYOVER BAL = 93.50 EXPIRES 30 SEP 2016

Thought I had to request SLA to carry it three years beyond my deployment. Anyone know if there is a limit on the amount of terminal leave you can take? Leave reg doesn't specify one.

Completely up to your Commander to an extent on the terminal leave question. If you have the ability to sell back leave, you can be denied that part of leave as terminal and basically forced to utilize the sell back option. Most CC's will not exercise this option, but it can be done if the argument can be made that losing you for x number of days would be detrimental to the unit. You cannot be forced to lose any of your leave, but you can be forced to sell it back if that is still an option for you. Have seen it happen one time. Ever.

[Toro]

President signs NDAA as written with a caveat that it will be selectively enforced. Sec 521 delays the 75 day carryover until 30 Sep 2015.

Got this today:

Extension of Leave Carryover of 75 days:

Section 521 of the FY 2013 National Defense Authorization Act (signed by the President on 02 Jan) includes a provision to extend the maximum leave carryover of 75 days through September 30, 2015. This new guidance replaces the FY 2010 NDAA guidance for leave carryover that was to expire this fiscal year. Members who carried forward a balance of 75 days at the start of FY 2013 will now have to use only 30 days of leave this year to prevent losing leave.

[Homestar]

Any chance the 2015 NDAA goes back to 75 days of carry over or did that ship sail with the 2013 NDAA? Looks like I'll need to burn over 50 this year to use all my current use/lose and get my balance down below 60 by September 30, 2015.

[ThreeHoler]

You need to be below 75 by 30 Sep 2015 to avoid losing leave. Below 60 by 30 Sep 2016.

[Herk Driver]

You need to be below 75 by 30 Sep 2015 to avoid losing leave. Below 60 by 30 Sep 2016.

Source? Last I read from DFAS was 60 days by Sep 2015. Current LES calculations are wrong...they are working on the fix to the use/lose balance Edited December 3, 2014 by Herk Driver

[icohftb]

Herk driver - I saw similar posts to what you wrote.

Edited December 2, 2014 by icohftb

[Homestar]

You need to be below 75 by 30 Sep 2015 to avoid losing leave. Below 60 by 30 Sep 2016.

Emails making the rounds from our finance people say to be below 60 by September 2015.

[Herk Driver]

Directly off the Remarks section of my LES: "Eff 30 Sep 15 Leave balances over 60 days will be forfeited unless special leave accrual applies"

Of course I guess that all depends on what the NDAA eventually says

[ThreeHoler]

Unregard previous. Misread Toro's post.

[Warrior]

I think I've got a lot of leave to burn…