B52gator Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Sounds like a giant booze-fueled sex romp... https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/04/MONDAYair-force-sexual-relationships-rampant-in-wing-041811w/ and https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/04/MONDAY1air-force-ig-details-conduct-botchie-041811w/ I wasn't around during the Air Force of the 70s and 80s, but I imagine this environment was very similar to what took place back then. There has been a lot of this going around lately it seems like...I don't know if it is happening more or big blue is cracking down more, I am guessing it is the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) Sounds like a giant booze-fueled sex romp... https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/04/MONDAYair-force-sexual-relationships-rampant-in-wing-041811w/ and https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/04/MONDAY1air-force-ig-details-conduct-botchie-041811w/ I wasn't around during the Air Force of the 70s and 80s, but I imagine this environment was very similar to what took place back then. There has been a lot of this going around lately it seems like...I don't know if it is happening more or big blue is cracking down more, I am guessing it is the latter. Wow, I'm surprised it took this long for this story to end up here. I love the description of his profile pic in the second link. FAIL! Brig. Gen. Tom Botchie and members of the 121st Air Refueling Wing, Columbus, Ohio, show their Buckeye pride at an Ohio State designed road block in Al Uehdid, Qatar Edited April 18, 2011 by SocialD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royal Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I love the description of his profile pic in the second link. FAIL! I got a kick out of that too. My favorite part was the length of the report: The conclusions of the 69-page report, released in late March to Air Force Times under the Freedom of Information Act That couldn't have worked out better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F16Rooster Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 “Surely [the senior master sergeant] would not have forgotten over 175 phone calls that Col. McMahon had made to her over approximately 18 months,” the report stated, “and her response indicated a purposeful avoidance of the issue and a consciousness of guilt.” So calling someone that works for you 10 times a month is suspicious? And the report (which I can only assume is supposed to be factual) condemned her because of the way she answered? Shenanigans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 ANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpharatz Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I know, Rainy...I know. "I could keep up with the 97's" blah, blah...but hey you don't have to be bitter. ...............Idle!...Speed brakes!.....flaps!!.....GEAR!!!....Ach! Scheiss!!............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 “Surely [the senior master sergeant] would not have forgotten over 175 phone calls that Col. McMahon had made to her over approximately 18 months,” the report stated, “and her response indicated a purposeful avoidance of the issue and a consciousness of guilt.” So calling someone that works for you 10 times a month is suspicious? And the report (which I can only assume is supposed to be factual) condemned her because of the way she answered? Shenanigans. That's assuming, of course, she worked directly for him. What if she was a SMSgt in LRS or CE for example? Surely they shouldn't be getting 10 calls a month from the Wing King and if they did you would think they would remember why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbonez Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 That's assuming, of course, she worked directly for him. What if she was a SMSgt in LRS or CE for example? Surely they shouldn't be getting 10 calls a month from the Wing King and if they did you would think they would remember why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5t5_O8hdA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stract Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 seriously, he bears a striking resemblance to Hitler... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B52Herc Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) ANG Any casual reader of this blog site should have the perspective that there exists mis-behavior in all of the components. My narrow experience was that it was worse active duty, but that's hardly a basis for asserting a conclusion about the active duty air force. The ANG is vulnerable to this sort of long term fiefdom clown act because of the absence of PCS moves, but promoting and PCS-ing insufferable dolts so they can spread their poison broadly is a vulnerablity of the other components. The many subjects and comments in this site are testament. I admit that I believe most ANG members cringe when they see stories like this. Edited April 23, 2011 by B52Herc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainedClass Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 My old Vietnam-era DO once told me many years ago, the higher you get up the ladder, the more people you have looking up your skirt. This guy was probably cool as hell and he paid dearly for it. While it is possible to go from enlisted troop to officer to wing CC in an ANG/AFR unit, it's probably not a good idea. People know you too well and will use your past against you. Then when a "have" turns into a "have not", the people you thought had your back will turn on you. A valuable lesson for those looking to move on up the ladder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 My narrow experience was that it was worse active duty... Huh? NFW. I admit that I believe most ANG members cringe when they see stories like this. Agreed. I don't know about most, but many do. Just as many are not surprised at all that things like this are happening...although they are surprised when someone makes a big deal about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Driver Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 "He vacationed with a chief master sergeant and bought an investment home from a major." Wow. If that isn't inappropriate, I don't know what is. Who gives a shit about either of these two points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 "He vacationed with a chief master sergeant and bought an investment home from a major." Wow. If that isn't inappropriate, I don't know what is. Who gives a shit about either of these two points? It depends. The Chief might have been his lifelong friend, lived across the street and went to gradeschool with and are married to each other's sisters. The Major could be a cousin or nephew. These kinds of things are common in ANG units and not a problem as long as things can remain professional at work. However, your response clearly demonstrates how even the simplest thing could be taken out of context as favoritism/cronyism...which is EXTREMELY common in the ANG. If you are surprised by how some people get promoted on AD you would fall out of your chair if you knew the bufoonery surrounding the O-6 and above promotion system in the ANG. Short answer, this is the Achilles heel of the ANG. Far less common in AFRES because they make their leaders move around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky_king Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Last time I checked, making a one time purchase (such as an investment home) from a subordinate is not an unprofessional relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Crew Report Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 Last time I checked, making a one time purchase (such as an investment home) from a subordinate is not an unprofessional relationship. So you'd buy a home from an A1C in your squadron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standby Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 So you'd buy a home from an A1C in your squadron? You know many A1C homeowners? If so, the kind of house an O-4+ would be looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sputnik Posted April 24, 2011 Share Posted April 24, 2011 When I was in HI, there was an E6 in the OSS driving a new 7 series BMW. Had a side business in real estate. And yeah, I've met some really smart A1C's I could imagine pulling that off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crog Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Short answer, this is the Achilles heel of the ANG. Far less common in AFRES because they make their leaders move around. Really? Supporting data? C'mon, it's all about metrics, and I'm calling you out on this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standby Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 When I was in HI, there was an E6 in the OSS driving a new 7 series BMW. Had a side business in real estate. And yeah, I've met some really smart A1C's I could imagine pulling that off. Point is, there are far and few between. We all know the pay scales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) You know many A1C homeowners? If so, the kind of house an O-4+ would be looking at? Are we talking an active A1C, or a guard A1C? Had an buddy (A1C) making just under 100k and numerous SrA - SSgt friends making well over 100k, in their civilian jobs! Edited April 25, 2011 by SocialD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindsight2020 Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Isn't there a big "N/A AFRES" written in pencil on the sidewall of the UCMJ? If not, there should be :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky_king Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 So you'd buy a home from an A1C in your squadron? What's the difference in buying a house from an A1C and a civilian? Nothing... It's not like I'm hiring him every weekend to wash my dishes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Really? Supporting data? C'mon, it's all about metrics, and I'm calling you out on this one! Yes really. No, I'm not going to get lured into a "smear a bag o'shit all over the ANG" fest. You can call me out all day. Anyone that denies the underlying truth of what I said is either not familiar or not objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter29 Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 While it is possible to go from enlisted troop to officer to wing CC in an ANG/AFR unit, it's probably not a good idea. Not possible in AFRC. Like active duty, we get new DOs, OG/CCs, and WG/CCs every 2-4 yrs. And just like active duty, sometimes they are shit-hot leaders...sometimes not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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