ClearedHot Posted May 18, 2011 Posted May 18, 2011 I bet the pilot forgot to put his reflective belt on before starting the approach. Abort
pawnman Posted May 18, 2011 Posted May 18, 2011 Will there be an investigation like there was for his wife's flight?
StoleIt Posted May 18, 2011 Posted May 18, 2011 How is this news??? 2. I guess they should also report any time the President's car doesn't start on the first attempt.
BQZip01 Posted May 18, 2011 Posted May 18, 2011 I bet the pilot forgot to put his reflective belt on before starting the approach. Abort WOW! What an AMAZING non-event!
discus Posted May 18, 2011 Posted May 18, 2011 Ya gotta figure even AF One needs transition training. Just tell the back enders to sit down and shut up, it will be over soon.
ClearedHot Posted May 18, 2011 Author Posted May 18, 2011 "Hostage Pro" with the boss on board...large stones...
JeepGuyC17 Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 I guess "Pilot exercises sound judgement" just doesn't make for a catchy enough headline. The media is clueless.
LoneStar Posted May 19, 2011 Posted May 19, 2011 Down here in the navy we call that a wave off...Man i can't wait to be in the AF again.
Guest Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 "Hostage Pro" with the boss on board...large stones... What's Hostage Pro? Whoever the controller was should be fired. McChrystalshould be fired, again.
ClearedHot Posted May 20, 2011 Author Posted May 20, 2011 What's Hostage Pro? Big airplanes will often do transition work (Pilot Proficiency), at the end of a Tac sortie to get "counters" for the AC/CP/Nav. In the gunship the Tac crew usually wanted us to land and download them rather than sit through an hour of ILS/LOC/TAC/ASR approaches. It takes 15 minutes or more to land, taxi back, open, download, close, taxi back, and takeoff so many pilots just keep the tac crew on board...at that point the grump Tac crew calls it "Hostage Pro". My personal rule was if it was going to be less than an hour or we were doing Tac approaches, they stayed.
Guest Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 Big airplanes will often do transition work (Pilot Proficiency), at the end of a Tac sortie to get "counters" for the AC/CP/Nav. OK, that's what I suspected it meant I've just never heard it before. In a single seat airplane is it considered hostage pro to subject yourself to such nonsense. That's what a pencil is for in a fighter squadron... "Hey two, you forgot something on your bubble sheet dumbass. I briefed to pick up the ILS and TACAN on final in the overhead. That's a round. Fix it and go make some jalapeno corn for the debrief chop-chop."
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Big airplanes will often do transition work (Pilot Proficiency), at the end of a Tac sortie to get "counters" for the AC/CP/Nav. In the gunship the Tac crew usually wanted us to land and download them rather than sit through an hour of ILS/LOC/TAC/ASR approaches. It takes 15 minutes or more to land, taxi back, open, download, close, taxi back, and takeoff so many pilots just keep the tac crew on board...at that point the grump Tac crew calls it "Hostage Pro". My personal rule was if it was going to be less than an hour or we were doing Tac approaches, they stayed. I always tell mission crew guys they can bitch about one of two (but never both) things, either A) transition, or B) shitty landings. This has so far proven ineffective. WRT the story, I'm still trying to figure out what an "aborted landing" is. You're not landing until the wheels are on the ground and the speed brakes are out (or whatever the point of commitment is in other TOs). Up to that point you are CONTINUING THE APPROACH or executing the missed approach.
ClearedHot Posted May 22, 2011 Author Posted May 22, 2011 CH may, or may not, have heard my sig a time or two. How about hundreds of times...
brabus Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 That's what a pencil is for in a fighter squadron... "Hey two, you forgot something on your bubble sheet dumbass. I briefed to pick up the ILS and TACAN on final in the overhead. That's a round. Fix it and go make some jalapeno corn for the debrief chop-chop." The "precision approach" overhead..."Dude, was your overhead and final turn precise?...Yes...then log it!" Another valuable lesson learned from an IP.
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