BonedRiver Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 I know of 2 x 11B3's fired & retired, 1 x 11B3 continued & 1 x 12B fired & retired. WTF? no clue why some of same AFSC/critical skill were continued/not. Me, I'm the continued guy... but f'g want out. It's like I'm being blackmailed to stay in w/o being able to decline for TERA this year. FML>
Bobby Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Twice passed-over 11F here. Offered continuation...I declined. Even at 15 years time in service the airline hiring is too good to pass up. Besides that, I'm more than ready to jump off this sinking ship. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! 2
BonedRiver Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 Twice passed-over 11F here. Offered continuation...I declined. Even at 15 years time in service the airline hiring is too good to pass up. Besides that, I'm more than ready to jump off this sinking ship. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! Are you looking to go reserves & airlines? I'm curious if dudes are having a decent time working the afi 36-2005 waiver due to non-promotion-
Cap-10 Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 We have hired a handful of dudes that needed twice passed over waivers...100% success so far.
Bobby Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 Are you looking to go reserves & airlines? I'm curious if dudes are having a decent time working the afi 36-2005 waiver due to non-promotion- Nope, I'm not currently pursuing anything AF related. Strictly going to airlines.
Techsan Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 Nope, I'm not currently pursuing anything AF related. Strictly going to airlines. You've been in 15 years, and aren't going to put in another 5 yrs part-time to get a retirement later in life? You must REALLY hate the AF.
mudhen69 Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 Getting that last 5 years as a tr can take 20 Yes but you can still get a reserve retirement at age 60 with 20 "good years". 15 years active duty are 15 good years and all he would have to do is his TR for 5 more years (easy to get a good year as a flyer). Its not the active duty retirement but its better than 0 dollars at age 60. On the conservative side he would probably get 2 years worth of points in 5 years so that would get him a check every month for 17/20's of his base pay as soon as he hit 60.
Learjetter Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 Happiness is worth more than $$. I'll be fine. Which is why the AF should go with six-year post UPT ADSCs and abolish the bonus. /derail
Vetter Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 Happiness is worth more than $$. I'll be fine. Amen to that!
capt4fans Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 My post apparently never made it. 11M non continuation and TERA. I know of another 11M exact same thing, and a 12M as well. My 11T buddy (same ROTC class) got continued, but he hits 17 years be Dec of this year. Last one I know of is a Mission Support O-4 who graduated with me. She made the list and had to be APZ. I'm done in 6 months, and have to figure out retirment from Germany...wish me luck.
HeloDude Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 My 11T buddy (same ROTC class) got continued, but he hits 17 years be Dec of this year. Is an 11T a tanker pilot? Don't they also have the core AFSC of an 11M? Sorry to hear about the non continuation. Good luck in your retirement!
Techsan Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 Is an 11T a tanker pilot? Don't they also have the core AFSC of an 11M? Sorry to hear about the non continuation. Good luck in your retirement!Tanker dudes are 11M. Maybe he's talking about an FTU guy?
HeloDude Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 Tanker dudes are 11M. Maybe he's talking about an FTU guy? Possibly, though as I understand it, just like with the last RIF, it all comes down to your core AFSC, and there isn't one for school house IP's (unless it applies to FAIPs, but then again, that would be irrelevant for the O-5 board discussion).
scoobs Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 Happiness is worth more than $$. I'll be fine. Hopefully the airlines work out for you. 1
Azimuth Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 Tanker dudes are 11M. Maybe he's talking about an FTU guy? Aren't 11T's UPT IP's?
10percenttruth Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 Aren't 11T's UPT IP's? UPT IPs are T11K-something
capt4fans Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 UPT IPs are T11K-something My mistake..he's coming out of T-1's going back to 135's....
Butters Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) I hope you'll continue to stick around these parts and offer up any insights or advice about your transition to the promised land. Wish you all the best, man. Yes, the promised land where the grass is greener! https://youtu.be/DXmWQG0j8Gc A raise paid for with our profit sharing is not a raise! Edited June 16, 2015 by Butters
zrooster99 Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Yes, the promised land where the grass is greener! https://youtu.be/DXmWQG0j8Gc No, no, stick around and mother Air Force will take real good care of you...
Vetter Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 The grass is greener...even if there is a turd here or there. 1
BonedRiver Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Words via AFPC emails & my WIng King who was on the board... There were 135 officers offered continuation this year. It was allegedly based solely upon TAFMS-D for which there were specific "windows" determining what folks were eligible for (Seperation/Retirement/TERA/continuation). The only outlier as he remembered it was RPAs... with all being offered continuation (negative quality indicators & all). Apparently there are 7 officers separated w/o TERA. AFPC is working towards SECAF approval of TERA for them (don't know any more specifics). My local MPS chief discussed how the AF is making subtle changes to promotions, etc. resulting in even more disingenuous/in the dark/behind closed doors sorts of "force management" via promotions/timing. (His most significant example is shifting O-4 promotions left so 1 APZ (for O-5) happens prior to 15-yrs IOT start avoiding TERA hand-outs). Don't expect leadership, AFPC, etc. to explain any rationale for decisions... they'll keep quoting AFIs & Fact Sheets to avoid acknowledging their back-handed & coersive actions to pretend that all is well in personnel management land. I'm starting to walk away... 30 Nov keeps looking better & better- Edited June 17, 2015 by BonedRiver 1
jrizzell Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 Words via AFPC emails & my WIng King who was on the board... There were 135 officers offered continuation this year. It was allegedly based solely upon TAFMS-D for which there were specific "windows" determining what folks were eligible for (Seperation/Retirement/TERA/continuation). The only outlier as he remembered it was RPAs... with all being offered continuation (negative quality indicators & all). Apparently there are 7 officers separated w/o TERA. AFPC is working towards SECAF approval of TERA for them (don't know any more specifics). My local MPS chief discussed how the AF is making subtle changes to promotions, etc. resulting in even more disingenuous/in the dark/behind closed doors sorts of "force management" via promotions/timing. (His most significant example is shifting O-4 promotions left so 1 APZ (for O-5) happens prior to 15-yrs IOT start avoiding TERA hand-outs). Don't expect leadership, AFPC, etc. to explain any rationale for decisions... they'll keep quoting AFIs & Fact Sheets to avoid acknowledging their back-handed & coersive actions to pretend that all is well in personnel management land. I'm starting to walk away... 30 Nov keeps looking better & better- When I received my initial Non-Select counseling, that was how it was explained to me as well. Using 30 Nov 2015 as the mandatory separation date; my TAFMSD put me within 4 years of retirement. AFPC said that meeting the four year "window" would be the pass to continuation.
capt4fans Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 Here;s what I tracked down via the Bro Network... Temporary Early Retirement Authority - Retirement Fact Sheet Applicable to: Active Duty Note: This data applies to Regular Officers serving on active duty. The FSS/MPS action office for this memorandum is Career Development. Please provide a copy of this article to Commanders, First Sergeants, Career Assistance Advisors, Military Personnel Section Career Development elements, Airman & Family Readiness Centers, Education Centers, and the MilTA Central Office Mandatory Separation Date Officers twice non-selected for promotion by the CY15A Lieutenant Colonel (LAF/LAF-J) P0515A and Major (LAF-J) P0415A Central selection Boards, who are not offered continuation, will have a mandatory separation date (MSD) established as 30 November 2015. To request retirement under TERA, officers must request a retirement date of no later than 1 December 2015. Application Procedures No later than 31 August 2015, you must submit an application to retire. To apply for retirement, you must access the virtual MPF using the following steps: Verify your duty email address and phone number, click "I have verified my email and phone" click "Self-Service Actions", click "Retirements", click "Request Retirement", click "Check Retirement Eligibility," enter a date no later than 1 December 2015, select the retirement program "Temporary Early Retirement Authority", and submit. Refer to the Retirements PSD Guide. If you have an ADSC that will not be completed as of your requested retirement date, the AF will not require you to provide a waiver request provided you request retirement for the date following your MSD. The AF will not require a waiver for an application submitted less than 120 days prior to the requested retirement date; however, if you request to retire earlier than the mandatory retirement date, you should be aware that normal processing time is 4-6 weeks, and allow sufficient time for approval when selecting your desired departure date. Complete retirement applications (to include your commander's coordination) must be submitted using the on-line web-based application located on vMPF no later than 31 August 2015. After your eligibility request is submitted, you must wait for the eligibility response. After receiving response, you will go back into vMPF, complete the pre-application checklist and then on the next page, the retirement application. On the retirement application in the justification/remarks block add the statement "TERA - Promotion Non-Select." You must take into consideration terminal leave and permissive TDY (PTDY), if authorized, to ensure your retirement effective date is no later than 1 December 2015. You must take all authorized PTDY/Terminal Leave prior to your effective retirement date. Extension to an approved retirement date IS NOT granted in order to accommodate terminal leave or PTDY. Assignments The following Permanent Change of Station (PCS) procedures apply: Officers enroute to an event, such as PCS, education or training, will be handled in accordance with AFI 36-2110, Assignments, paragraph 2.18.3. If you are projected for a CONUS to CONUS PCS, AFPC will cancel your assignment and you will remain in place until authorized to depart using your retirement orders. If you are currently assigned overseas, AFPC will adjust your DEROS to match your MSD. If approved by your commander, you may depart upon receipt of your retirement orders, completion of your out-processing requirements, and upon your PTDY/Terminal Leave start date. NOTE: You may not depart the overseas area before receipt of your Retirement Orders. Additionally, if you are pending assignment, that assignment will be canceled. If you are assigned to a location that does not have facilities for your outprocessing, you may request to travel to a Separation Processing Base in the United States. Please contact the Total Force Service Center at DSN 665-0102 or commercial 1-800-525-0102, to submit this request. Deployments (to include 365-Day Extended TDYs) Currently deployed Officers with a mandatory separation date of 30 November 2015 will be returned to home station NLT 1 October 2015 for retirement processing. Officers with a mandatory separation date of 30 November 2015 will not be tasked for deployment after notification of the Central Selection Board results. Medical Hold Officers may be retained beyond the MSD when placed on medical hold by the AFPC Medical Standards Branch, AFPC/DPANM. If you are undergoing review by the Disability Evaluation System and consideration is not completed 60 days prior to your MSD, the Medical Treatment Facility (MTF) must initiate medical hold action through AFPC/DPANM. AFPC/DPANM will notify AFPC/DPSOR to suspend your retirement to allow you to undergo medical evaluation processing. If you are approved for separation/retirement under AFI 36-3212, Physical Evaluation for Retention, Retirement, and Separation, your date of separation will be established in accordance with that governing directive. If you are subsequently returned to duty, the separation date will be adjusted to the last day of the month in which you are returned to duty, or 30 November 2015, whichever is later. You will then be projected to retire the first day of the month following the adjusted separation date or 1 December 2015, whichever is later. Administrative Hold Officers remain subject to military and civilian investigation, disciplinary action or pending involuntary discharge. If you are placed under investigation or civil charges, or the commander initiates disciplinary action, the commander must notify AFPC/DPSOR immediately. If you are placed on administrative hold for court-martial action, AFPC/DPSOR will suspend the retirement processing and you may be retained beyond the MSD. If a decision is subsequently made to not pursue court-martial action, the separation date will be adjusted to the last day of the month following termination of the action or 30 November 2015, whichever is later. You will then be projected to retire the first day of the month following the adjusted date of separation or 1 December 2015/, whichever is later. Transition Benefits and Services You will receive the same retirement transition benefits and entitlements provided for all retiring members. You can find information on your basic entitlements in the Entitlements Counseling link in the Retirements application in vMPF. All retiring personnel must participate in the mandatory Transition Assistance Program (TAP) which includes preseparation counseling, the TAP GPS Workshop, VA Benefits Briefing and a Capstone to verify Career Readiness Standards (CRS). Contact your local Airman & Family Readiness Center immediately to get started. Transfer of Education Benefits Officers who are approved for Transfer of Education Benefits (TEB) prior to notification of promotion non-selection and are retired under the Temporary Early Retirement Authority (TERA) OR who were previously approved for TEB and have fulfilled the associated Obligation End Date/ADSC prior to the established DOS under TERA will retain their TEB benefits. Officers who apply for non- TERA separation programs without completing their Post-9/11 GI Bill ADSC forfeit the transferred benefit, and any benefits that dependents have used will be treated as an overpayment subject to recoupment by the Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA) under the provisions of AFI 36-2649, Attachment 13, A13.18.8.5. Additionally, officers who apply for TEB AFTER receiving notification of promotion non-selection will be ineligible as they cannot meet the associated service obligation outlined in AFI 36-2649, Attachment 13, A13.18.1.2. Officers who were previously approved for TEB and otherwise would fail to fulfill the associated Obligation End Date/ADSC may consider continued service in the Guard or Reserve through the PALACE CHASE program.. For questions on TEB, contact the DVA at 1-888-GIBILL1 (1-888-442-4551). For questions on PALACE CHASE, please contact the Total Force Service Center at DSN 665-0102. TERA Retirement Impact on Officers Who Elected the Career Status Bonus (CSB) While CSB does not generate an Active Duty Service Commitment (ADSC), officers who accepted CSB did agree to serve to 20 years of active service in exchange for the bonus payment. As part of the FY14/15 Force Management program, the Secretary of the Air Force is allowing officers to apply for retirement under the TERA. If approved for early retirement, recoupment is waived IAW DoD FMR 7000.14-R, Volume 7A, Chapter 66, paragraph 660302-A3; however, officers who accepted CSB will have their retired pay adjusted by the reduction established by law. You should contact the Defense Finance and Accounting Service (DFAS) for counseling before submitting their applications. Retirement Pay Under TERA The retired pay calculator on the myPers website doesn't work for TERA retirements; however, the table below provides an estimate of the multiplier used by DFAS. All retired pay estimates are made prior to taxes. Years of service are calculated from your 10 USC 1405 Date, which can be found in the virtual MPF, Self-Service Actions, Personal Data, Record Review/Update, Service, 1405 Service Date. For more information, contact DFAS at 1-800-321-1080. Multiplier for Officers who DID NOT take the Career Status Bonus (CSB) Years of Service Retirement (% of base pay) 19.5 48.506% 19 47.025% 18.5 45.556% 18 44.100% 17.5 42.656% 17 41.225% 16.5 39.806% 16 38.400% 15.5 37.006% 15 35.625% Multiplier for Officers who DID take the Career Status Bonus (CSB) Years of Service Retirement (% of base pay) 19.5 38.059% 19 36.135% 18.5 34.229% 18 32.340% 17.5 30.469% 17 28.615% 16.5 26.779% 16 24.960% 15.5 23.159% 15 21.375% Point of Contact Questions should be addressed to AFPC Retirements & Separations Branch
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