AFI 36-2903 and dress/uniform regs and issues

[DEVIL]

Has anyone ever seen a kilt incorporated into a service/mess dress for a dining out/ceremony?

[Jughead]

Has anyone ever seen a kilt incorporated into a service/mess dress for a dining out/ceremony?

Yep. My understanding (I've never seen the written rule) is that there are two "official" circumstances for wearing the mess dress w/ kilt instead of trousers:

1) Actively serving in a unit (via recognized exchange program) that has a kilt as part of their formal uniform

2) You have a bona fide family heraldry that includes a kilt, and the kilt you wear is appropriate to that Coat of Arms

#1 should be pretty easy, but only if you're in that postion (can't be very many of those); #2, I'd recommend more research before taking the plunge. As I say, it's only hearsay--for all I know, the guy explaining it to me was full of shit and just justifying his choice to kilt up his mess dress....

[ARIs 'R' Us]

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A coworker and I got in an argument today. I say that black, or white socks are authorized with a flight suit, due to:

8.8. Socks. Socks should be made of cotton or wool. White, black, desert tan/sand, or sage green socks may be worn with either the FDU or DFDU. For wear and description see applicable paragraphs 6.4.1.1, 6.4.1.2 and 6.4.1.3

He argues sage green only (assuming green bag), due to:

6.4.1.1. Socks (black). Socks will be plain without design, clean, and serviceable. Black socks will be worn with low quarters, dress boots and black jungle/combat boots. Plain white socks may be worn under the black socks as long as the white socks are not visible.

6.4.1.2. Socks (sage green). Sage green socks will be worn with the sage green or tan boots. Plain white socks may be worn under the sage green socks as long as the white socks are not visible.

6.4.1.3. Socks (white). White socks are worn with athletic shoes and may have small logos.

Thoughts...preferably with precedence and/or proof?

[SurelySerious]

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A coworker and I got in an argument today. I say that black, or white socks are authorized with a flight suit, due to:

8.8. Socks. Socks should be made of cotton or wool. White, black, desert tan/sand, or sage green socks may be worn with either the FDU or DFDU. For wear and description see applicable paragraphs 6.4.1.1, 6.4.1.2 and 6.4.1.3

He argues sage green only (assuming green bag), due to:

6.4.1.1. Socks (black). Socks will be plain without design, clean, and serviceable. Black socks will be worn with low quarters, dress boots and black jungle/combat boots. Plain white socks may be worn under the black socks as long as the white socks are not visible.

6.4.1.2. Socks (sage green). Sage green socks will be worn with the sage green or tan boots. Plain white socks may be worn under the sage green socks as long as the white socks are not visible.

6.4.1.3. Socks (white). White socks are worn with athletic shoes and may have small logos.

Thoughts...preferably with precedence and/or proof?

I'm not overly familiar with the document, but is 8.8 the section on FDU? If that's the case, I'd ignore the part in 6.469 that doesn't deal with the FDU.

Technique only. And my eyes are burning now.

[HerkFE]

I'm not overly familiar with the document, but is 8.8 the section on FDU? If that's the case, I'd ignore the part in 6.469 that doesn't deal with the FDU.

 

Technique only. And my eyes are burning now.

Uhhh, you two need to get a hobby...maybe drinking

 

Sorry, I went back and read the original post, .... those shoes need to get a hobby. Working mids and it's been a long night. 

Edited September 23, 2015 by HerkFE
I'm stupid

[GKinnear]

Words about socks

Arguments over socks? The rest of your problems must be solved at this point...

[Champ Kind]

Shoe thread bump:

 

A coworker and I got in an argument today. I say that black, or white socks are authorized with a flight suit, due to:

 

8.8. Socks. Socks should be made of cotton or wool. White, black, desert tan/sand, or sage green socks may be worn with either the FDU or DFDU. For wear and description see applicable paragraphs 6.4.1.1, 6.4.1.2 and 6.4.1.3

 

He argues sage green only (assuming green bag), due to:

 

6.4.1.1. Socks (black). Socks will be plain without design, clean, and serviceable. Black socks will be worn with low quarters, dress boots and black jungle/combat boots. Plain white socks may be worn under the black socks as long as the white socks are not visible.

6.4.1.2. Socks (sage green). Sage green socks will be worn with the sage green or tan boots. Plain white socks may be worn under the sage green socks as long as the white socks are not visible.

6.4.1.3. Socks (white). White socks are worn with athletic shoes and may have small logos.

 

Thoughts...preferably with precedence and/or proof?

Serious question:  how would anyone know what color socks you're wearing with a flight suit, outside of a locker room environment or something?

[herkbum]

Serious question:  how would anyone know what color socks you're wearing with a flight suit, outside of a locker room environment or something?

^This!

[BADFNZ]

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A coworker and I got in an argument today. I say that black, or white socks are authorized with a flight suit, due to:

 

8.8. Socks. Socks should be made of cotton or wool. White, black, desert tan/sand, or sage green socks may be worn with either the FDU or DFDU. For wear and description see applicable paragraphs 6.4.1.1, 6.4.1.2 and 6.4.1.3

 

He argues sage green only (assuming green bag), due to:

 

6.4.1.1. Socks (black). Socks will be plain without design, clean, and serviceable. Black socks will be worn with low quarters, dress boots and black jungle/combat boots. Plain white socks may be worn under the black socks as long as the white socks are not visible.

6.4.1.2. Socks (sage green). Sage green socks will be worn with the sage green or tan boots. Plain white socks may be worn under the sage green socks as long as the white socks are not visible.

6.4.1.3. Socks (white). White socks are worn with athletic shoes and may have small logos.

 

Thoughts...preferably with precedence and/or proof?

I hate that I am even wasting 6-9 seconds to answer this, but 8.8 seems to describe what socks can be worn in general, whereas 6.4.1 describes in detail what socks go with what boots/shoes.  8.8 even states "For wear and description see applicable paragraphs 6.4.1...", so I'd say the correct answer is green for bags.

Seppuku time.

[Majestik Møøse]

But it says you can wear white socks with the FDU, but then it says white socks only with athletic shoes.  So that means you can wear athletic shoes with a bag.

[magnetfreezer]

Serious question:  how would anyone know what color socks you're wearing with a flight suit, outside of a locker room environment or something?

Sock checks. Has happened.

[SurelySerious]

Maybe we can get Stephen Breyer to weigh in on how foreign uniform regulations effect the interpretation of the AFI.

[tac airlifter]

Add this to the list of rules I'll never read or follow.  

[ARIs 'R' Us]

If you put your feet on the desk and don't tie your boots (fold the sock over technique) while wearing the super comfortable Nikes, well there's the problem: I'm sitting at a desk.

[Seriously]

Shoe thread bump:

 

A coworker and I got in an argument today. I say that black, or white socks are authorized with a flight suit, due to:

 

8.8. Socks. Socks should be made of cotton or wool. White, black, desert tan/sand, or sage green socks may be worn with either the FDU or DFDU. For wear and description see applicable paragraphs 6.4.1.1, 6.4.1.2 and 6.4.1.3

 

He argues sage green only (assuming green bag), due to:

 

6.4.1.1. Socks (black). Socks will be plain without design, clean, and serviceable. Black socks will be worn with low quarters, dress boots and black jungle/combat boots. Plain white socks may be worn under the black socks as long as the white socks are not visible.

6.4.1.2. Socks (sage green). Sage green socks will be worn with the sage green or tan boots. Plain white socks may be worn under the sage green socks as long as the white socks are not visible.

6.4.1.3. Socks (white). White socks are worn with athletic shoes and may have small logos.

 

Thoughts...preferably with precedence and/or proof?

What the hell is wrong with you and your "coworker"?

[spaceman]

I wear frickin black ankle socks with my boots so when I put my feet on my desk all you see is pasty white man calves. I've been doing this for years and no one has died yet.

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[pcola]

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A coworker and I got in an argument today. I say that black, or white socks are authorized

You had an argument about socks? This belongs in the WTF thread. Or maybe a new WGAF thread.

[Day Man]

I wear frickin black ankle socks with my boots so when I put my feet on my desk all you see is pasty white man calves. I've been doing this for years and no one has died yet.

Yet...

[sky_king]

I'll give up my black socks when the pry them from my cold dead hands feet.

edit: Thanks SuperWSO.

Edited September 26, 2015 by sky_king

[SuperWSO]

Wear of socks on hands is not authorized in 6.4.1 or 8.8.  Report to the nearest Chief for remediation.

[Stitch]

Wear of socks on hands is not authorized in 6.4.1 or 8.8.  Report to the nearest Chief for remediation.

But he's a maintenance chief, and as long as we meet the 8 hour fix rate and meet minimum FMC requirements he don't give no shit.

[genie90]

already posted in different section

Edited January 29, 2017 by genie90
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[Orbit]