Helo Kitty Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Our base has a 'SAPR Day' coming up May and the base SAPR (via Wg/CC) required every unit to ID enough 'instructors' for a 1:25 (instructor:student) ratio.. these instructors have to attend a mandatory 8-hour training class. All Airmen have to attend the down day horseshit and if we're on leave/TDY we have to 'make it up'. Its an absolutely unbelievable waste of time, manpower and resources.. /endrant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Our base has a 'SAPR Day' coming up May and the base SAPR (via Wg/CC) required every unit to ID enough 'instructors' for a 1:25 (instructor:student) ratio.. these instructors have to attend a mandatory 8-hour training class. All Airmen have to attend the down day horseshit and if we're on leave/TDY we have to 'make it up'. Its an absolutely unbelievable waste of time, manpower and resources.. /endrant You're not alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 You're not alone. 2 We have an IP/Patch who is the Wing SAPR POC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck17 Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) That's a good use for a patch, hadn't heard that one before... I've heard of patches getting ejected from their communities, but that seems like a waste. Chuck Edit: autocorrect Edited April 14, 2014 by Chuck17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panchbarnes Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) Our base has a 'SAPR Day' coming up May and the base SAPR (via Wg/CC) required every unit to ID enough 'instructors' for a 1:25 (instructor:student) ratio.. these instructors have to attend a mandatory 8-hour training class. All Airmen have to attend the down day horseshit and if we're on leave/TDY we have to 'make it up'. Its an absolutely unbelievable waste of time, manpower and resources.. /endrant With the revised OPR/EPR format, SAPR is the new "Christmas Party/AFAF/CFC/EXEC" duty. "#1 of 30 SAPR instructors; armed 200 human wpn sys w/ sexual countermeasures--200 sexual assaults thwarted!" I wonder if one needs "excellent" PT score and OPRs strats to be considered for SAPR instructor. Edited: Upgraded action verb in bullet. Edited April 14, 2014 by PanchBarnes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 That's a good use for a patch, hadn't heard that one before... I've heard of patches getting ejected from their communities, but that seems like a waste. Chuck Edit: autocorrect More, or less of a waste than making them the exec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache Sally Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Yeah, I was tapped (phrasing) for this instructor duty and am pretty pissed about it. I talked to the other female instructor in my sqdn and we both agree that when it is time to "train" the squadron not to rape people, we are going to take this approach: give people good information about the resources at his/her disposal in the event that they become a victim (or perhaps supervise a victim), and make it succinct so that people can get the info and move on with their day. It will absolutely NOT be the usual anti-male, all-guys-in-the-military-are-rapists fare that we've been subjected to for years. At our base, it sounds like the SAPR chick will give us the training and then we the schmucks in the sqdn can tailor it as we see fit. We shall see. I know it is difficult to find a ray of sunshine in this joke of a program, but taking this approach (potentially helping people by giving them good info) rather than looking at it for what it really is (an expensive, flashy, politically correct band-aid) makes me feel a little bit less pissed off about the insane amount of time I'm going to waste over this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck17 Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) More, or less of a waste than making them the exec.Depends... I get why commanders make patches their exec, but it has more to do with the commanders lack of confidence in the general crew force, and desire to push those dudes out front, than anything else. Here's a dude who wears a patch that (arguably) states there is a better than average chance they won't screw something up when put in charge of it. It's the same for the SAPR program. I truly understand the logic - it's hot button right now. And I think it is a slap in the face to everyone who doesn't get the same opportunity. But hey if you want to get your balls kicked in for six months straight and then walk away from everything you've learned in order to get upwardly mobile, more power to ya. It's better to rule in hell than serve in heaven, for some.... Just don't come begging when I'm building the plan or making up the lineup cards for night one, and your name is conspicuously absent. Chuck Edited April 15, 2014 by Chuck17 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARAMP1 Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 PT test scores (as long as you pass) and OPRs don't seem to matter for 365 or other deployment opportunities either. Weird. I have an IA coming up and I need to take my PT test to outprocess, which makes me wonder if I did fail it, would I still get deployed? My guess is probably, and I'm sure there'd still be some mandatory fun when I got to Kandahar. Of course I'm going to take it and pass before I deploy since my only real motivation is not to be hassled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bode Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Chuck I think you are spot-on with the patch movement. This is just another problem with the Air Force. Let's send them TDY to become "tacticians" in their airframes and fly their asses off for six months but when they get back we put them in positions where they don't fly much and are stuck being paper pushers, briefing writers, wing DSs and the such. To me it's retarded. Just my two worthless sense. Then again I thing it's ridiculous first assignment guys are PCSing just after their AC upgrade on the C17 side because we need to "show career progression". What a waste of money IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 I have an IA coming up and I need to take my PT test to outprocess, which makes me wonder if I did fail it, would I still get deployed? My guess is probably, and I'm sure there'd still be some mandatory fun when I got to Kandahar. Of course I'm going to take it and pass before I deploy since my only real motivation is not to be hassled. The rule is you have to be current, not passing. What your wing would choose to do, I do not know. I've seen people sent anyways, and deployments turned off at the last minute leaving the guy already downrange involuntarily extended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Chuck I think you are spot-on with the patch movement. This is just another problem with the Air Force. Let's send them TDY to become "tacticians" in their airframes and fly their asses off for six months but when they get back we put them in positions where they don't fly much and are stuck being paper pushers, briefing writers, wing DSs and the such. To me it's retarded. Just my two worthless sense. Then again I thing it's ridiculous first assignment guys are PCSing just after their AC upgrade on the C17 side because we need to "show career progression". What a waste of money IMO. I knew a Sq/CC who PCS'd all of his O's right at three years, regardless if they upgraded to AC/IP or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bode Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 And that is ridiculous. It doesn't help that for OS tours it's a three year standard. Imagine the savings if we extended that to four years. I found a document a while back the estimates the average PCS costs in the neighborhood of 30K. Beyond the money add in the usefulness of an aircrew member in that final year. Talk about improving experience levels throughout the different communities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hispeed7721 Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Our base has a 'SAPR Day' coming up I'm willing to bet it's not as ridiculous as the "SAPR obstacle course" we recently had during SAPR/Wingman day. I could barely contain my excitement. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 And that is ridiculous. It doesn't help that for OS tours it's a three year standard. Imagine the savings if we extended that to four years. I found a document a while back the estimates the average PCS costs in the neighborhood of 30K. Beyond the money add in the usefulness of an aircrew member in that final year. Talk about improving experience levels throughout the different communities. We did that already...and went back to a 3-year cycle. Nothing new under the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Our base has a 'SAPR Day' coming up May and the base SAPR (via Wg/CC) required every unit to ID enough 'instructors' for a 1:25 (instructor:student) ratio.. these instructors have to attend a mandatory 8-hour training class. All Airmen have to attend the down day horseshit and if we're on leave/TDY we have to 'make it up'. Its an absolutely unbelievable waste of time, manpower and resources.. /endrant We get that too, but now we also get an additional hour a quarter for resiliency. Which has classes you have to sign up for, and if you're late you get a nasty gram and turned away. Oh.. and they're looking for more trainers as well. Had a suicide attempt on base this past weekend and the Wing CC was all, "I don't understand why people would do that." Really dude.. get in touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bode Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) Nope there never is and it makes sense so we will probably continue to piss away money. Edited April 15, 2014 by Lstcause257 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB Stacker Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 The rule is you have to be current, not passing. What your wing would choose to do, I do not know. I've seen people sent anyways, and deployments turned off at the last minute leaving the guy already downrange involuntarily extended. Not the case anymore. AFCENT just changed up the rules, now you must have a passing PT test on top in order to deploy to their AOR, period. Last month we had someone go short notice to lovely KAF because someone else failed their test right before they were supposed to deploy. Yes, I too see absolutely nothing wrong with this plan or any way it might be abused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 We get that too, but now we also get an additional hour a quarter for resiliency. Which has classes you have to sign up for, and if you're late you get a nasty gram and turned away. Oh.. and they're looking for more trainers as well. Had a suicide attempt on base this past weekend and the Wing CC was all, "I don't understand why people would do that." Really dude.. get in touch. Better than the new yearly resiliency class, that people have said takes all day. Same deal have to sign up for it or catch it during a wing resiliency day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 I have an IA coming up and I need to take my PT test to outprocess, which makes me wonder if I did fail it, would I still get deployed? My guess is probably, and I'm sure there'd still be some mandatory fun when I got to Kandahar. Of course I'm going to take it and pass before I deploy since my only real motivation is not to be hassled. What I learned in my mobility job is that you only need a current PFT, not a passing one, to deploy. Of course, this can create real problems if you go somewhere you can't re-test and your OPR closes out while you are deployed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techsan Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 I'm willing to bet it's not as ridiculous as the "SAPR obstacle course" we recently had during SAPR/Wingman day. I could barely contain my excitement. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Whoa, an obstacle course? Sounds like "fun"! Seriously, who makes this shit up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Whoa, an obstacle course? Sounds like "fun"! Seriously, who makes this shit up? How does one make a SAPR-related obstacle course? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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