BONE WSO Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) Being charged with a DUI is not the same as being convicted of a DUI. If they parade you up in front of everyone in service dress it creates the impression that you are in fact guilty and could sway the potential jury members that are on that base. I'm sure a smart lawyer could bring this up at the trial, if it was on base, as unlawful command influence. Edited June 22, 2014 by BONE WSO 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 What percentage of DUIs are actually received on base? I doubt the good people on jury duty at the municipal court watch punitive DUI parades on base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Is it just me or do most guys you know actually rebound from a DUI to have a decent career. I know several that it was just a speed bump along the way for. Officers? Nope. Enlisted? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) Does anyone else have ideas? I'm all ears... Saw this on JQPs facebook page, this guy seems to get it. http://youtu.be/lhL5svtF5m0 Edited June 22, 2014 by Fuzz 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComingLeft Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 +2 Posted from the NEW Pro Version of the Baseops App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Officers? Nope. Enlisted? Yep. One of our top officers in the wing got a DUI back in UPT. Played his cards right and bounced back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 LT shield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Hungus Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 That said (I'm just throwing a wild-ass guess out there), I think you'll be surprised that the WSJ or any other media outlet doesn't give a sh1t about stories headlined with "military officer thinks he's marching too much". "Military officer thinks he's marching too much", of course not. "General Officer abuses power/people/resources in a time of extreme fiscal restraint", sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Officers? Nope. Enlisted? Yep. Incorrect, I know of a sitting wing/CC who got a DUI while we were in UPT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Incorrect, I know of a sitting wing/CC who got a DUI while we were in UPT. It's not really incorrect when the original question was do "you" know of anyone... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hispeed7721 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 So... what if on one of these "resilience days" we had a mass breifing like in the paragraph above with a little extra highlighting the financial costs associated with it? Better than destroying morale with a cluster###### formation. It's edutaining as well. This is exactly what has happened at HRT in years past. The fire dept came in and gave a very honest and uncensored brief about DUI accidents (it vaguely reminded me of "faces of death"). There are a handful of people at HRT that I know of who've received a DUI and haven't been made to do anything other than get a verbal beating and carry on with their job (obviously paperwork/etc is transparent from the outside). Never has any individual or squadron been forced to form up/march/etc. IMHO there is ZERO gained from doing that, either in learning a legit lesson or true punishment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Incorrect, I know of a sitting wing/CC who got a DUI while we were in UPT. I don't think that will happen in the days of RIF and force reductions and crack downs on all alcohol use. 20 years ago, when this guy was an LT, you probably could bounce back. I'm frankly surprised that with all the other ridiculous dredging of skeletons lately that this individual wasn't removed from command for his UPT mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) There are lots of people at the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and 60 Minutes that would love to hear these stories. If the IG doesn't work out... there are certainly other options. Actually, I think this very forum and JQP have done a lot. Simply having a publicly-facing vehicle to communicate and vent has been a great resource to commanders who are smart enough to harness its value. As an example, I don't think there would have been some of the senior-level interventions during the Force Shaping fiasco had it not been for BO.net and JQP. I don't think a Fogelsong can emerge as a MAJCOM/CC in an environment where blatant command buffoonery is now impossible to hide. Edited June 23, 2014 by Dupe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap-10 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I know a now GO who got a DUI when he was an O-6 and was PCS'ing to his new assignment. This was back in the mid 2000's. Cap-10 Posted from the NEW Baseops.net iOS App! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I know a retired 4-star who got two DUIs during his career as well as was consistently "escorted" home by SFS many nights while a sitting Wg/CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schokie Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I know a retired 4-star who got two DUIs during his career as well as was consistently "escorted" home by SFS many nights while a sitting Wg/CC. Is this the same four star who was a recent AETC CC who was a prolific author on leadership for PME readings? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stract Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 ahhh, G-Lo. Mess up, fess up. Rumor was he was on the dean's other list 6 out of 8 semesters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickhistory Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 So the apparent answer to the question "Is a DUI recoverable?" is 'it depends.' Be a fast burner with top cover, and, maybe. How public was the fcuk-up, who knows about it, etc, etc. Be in the 80%, and I think not. That was my observation during my career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cell Dweller Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Brick is right. If you are a top-tier, then you are perceived as being more valuable. Now, of course, one could question what are the latest criteria of "top-tier," but in general, the meritocracy favors the golden children. That being said, high strats also need to come with top-cover from leadership. I know a more recent example of someone who got a public drunkenness citation at UPT, burned bridges due to it, washed out, re-cored to a non-rated field, got great strats and a top notch record, but got the axe in a RIF. He never really had the top-cover from his senior rater or someone with access to his senior rater. Also, most of the "DUI and salvaged career" stories that I hear are from old hats who knew of other old hats from back in the day (nothing newer than early 2000's, post 9/11). I would say at this instant in time, a DUI is going to be a career killer until the manpower situation turns around, and the service starts talking about increasing manning. Right now, even if units are crying for bodies, the flesh-peddlers at AFPC are cutting because the money is not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap-10 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Also know a guy who got charged with public intoxication after flipping off a cop...this was after he played the military card and the cop initially let him go. In jail...over night...busted! This was early in the T-38 phase, but he finished UPT and is now a CMR Pilot. This was within the last year. Cap-10 Posted from the NEW Baseops.net iOS App! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Also know a guy who got charged with public intoxication after flipping off a cop...this was after he played the military card and the cop initially let him go. In jail...over night...busted! This was early in the T-38 phase, but he finished UPT and is now a CMR Pilot. This was within the last year. Cap-10 Posted from the NEW Baseops.net iOS App! And he'll probably stay a CMR pilot until his commitment is up, at which point he will be passed over for major and invited to leave. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 And he'll probably stay a CMR pilot until his commitment is up, at which point he will be passed over for major and invited to leave. Lucky bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sputnik Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 ahhh, G-Lo. Mess up, fess up. Rumor was he was on the dean's other list 6 out of 8 semesters. Rumor confirmed with the man himself yesterday. Failed 3 classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForgotPassword Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 The peter principle sums it up pretty well. I think it has been mentioned in this thread before. Maybe even by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnimalMother Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Also, most of the "DUI and salvaged career" stories that I hear are from old hats who knew of other old hats from back in the day (nothing newer than early 2000's, post 9/11). I would say at this instant in time, a DUI is going to be a career killer until the manpower situation turns around, and the service starts talking about increasing manning. Right now, even if units are crying for bodies, the flesh-peddlers at AFPC are cutting because the money is not there. A dude in my last unit got a DUI in 2010. He got RIF'd the next year, picked up full time by the local reserve unit, upgraded to IP/EP, and promoted to major. Then he x-flowed to another airframe and got the AF to pay for his type and ATP. I'd say that's a pretty darn successful post-DUI career. I guess if you're trying to make O-6 then yes, a DUI might make that goal somewhat more difficult to obtain. It all depends on your criteria I suppose... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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