What's wrong with the Air Force?

[Hacker]

Instead, how about we discuss some ways to reduce ARIs that actually make sense? You never know...someone in charge might read it.

I vote that we blame it all on "fighter pilot culture", and the solution be that we tear down and eliminate it from the AF.

That worked with sexual assault, right?

Brick is right. If you are a top-tier, then you are perceived as being more valuable.

I think some of you guys might be surprised at how instantaneously Big Blue can take a fast burner and turn him into a zero if he dares cross whatever the line-of-the-day is.

Today, that line is sexual assault. In the past (and maybe now) that included DUI. There are other hot button topics that cause binary "burn the witch" reactions, regardless of the arc the accused's careers is on.

Edited June 28, 2014 by Hacker

[Majestik Møøse]

The peter principle sums it up pretty well.

To summarize (from Wikipedia):

'The Peter Principle is a concept in management theory in which the selection of a candidate for a position is based on their performance in their current role rather than on their abilities relevant to the intended role...The authors suggest that people will tend to be promoted until they reach their "position of incompetence".'

'Peter suggests that "n time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out its duties" and that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence."'

Yeah that's pretty much what's wrong with the Air Force. I've noted before that every leadership position in the Air Force above Sq/DO is filled by an inexperienced rookie. "Hey, you're great at this job, time to move on to a different one."

[LookieRookie]

Truth to this?

[RTB]

Truth to this?

This may belong in the "WTF?" thread. That's a serious WTF if true.

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[SuperWSO]

This may belong in the "WTF?" thread. That's a serious WTF if true.

We trust you with aircraft, we trust you with weapons, we trust you with the nations secrets, but I can't trust you to manage a six pack of Budweiser. Thats clearly beyond your pay grade.

[hispeed7721]

Today at the AFSOC Change of Command, 3 people passed out...during a 45 minute ceremony...inside a hanger.

THAT is a big part of what's wrong with the AF.

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[HossHarris]

So you're saying 3 people found a way out.

[dream big]

Today at the AFSOC Change of Command, 3 people passed out...during a 45 minute ceremony...inside a hanger.

THAT is a big part of what's wrong with the AF.

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So? At the zoo we had track stars fall out occasionally. Standing at attention for 45 minutes listening to a scripted speech is stupid.

[hispeed7721]

So? At the zoo we had track stars fall out occasionally. Standing at attention for 45 minutes listening to a scripted speech is stupid.

What does being a track star have to do with it? Do you hold athletes who run track in some high regard?

I don't disagree that being in formation for something like that is dumb...but not being able to stand there (at parade rest, not attention) and in a hanger none the less, is just plain embarrassing

Edited July 3, 2014 by hispeed7721

[Vice]

Today at the AFSOC Change of Command, 3 people passed out...during a 45 minute ceremony...inside a hanger.

THAT is a big part of what's wrong with the AF.

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Had something similar happen during a CoC outdoors, except this was at a sub-tropical base in the morning sunlight.

Almost none of the Airmen (including myself) knew the old CC or the new one, and didn't care about the new CC's personal life story. Realized if I'm ever in the position that I should keep it short, sweet, and focused more on what changes the Airmen may directly see than go on about my own accomplishments and my wife and dog and awesome college experience and how far I've come and how great everyone in the squadron pretends to be when I'm around.

[Alaska_ABM]

Truth to this?

Seems to be fact...UFB. What's next for this slippery slope of treating all Airman as uncontrollable children that need close control 24 hours a day?

https://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20140703/NEWS/307030062/Commander-puts-30-day-ban-alcohol-incoming-airmen-Korea

[Jaded]

Curfew is also 10 PM for the first 30 days. What do they think people are going to do on day 31?

[Breckey]

Edited July 4, 2014 by Breckey

[brabus]

Seems to be fact...

Curfew is also 10 PM for the first 30 days.

I hope to God this is short-lived; what a fucking catastrophe.

[guineapigfury]

On the passing out in formation ... locked knees will get you everytime. If it was intentional, I recall Ancient Romans were forced to attend Emperor Nero's musical recitals and plays. They were so bad, people faked heart attacks or going into labor so they would have an excuse to leave. The analogy here is clear. Let me give you every CoC speech I've ever heard:

Thank you (insert name of person who just handed over guidon here), this is a big honor. Yadda Yadda Yadda, I couldn't have gotten here without the support of my family (cue kid unable to sit still in front row with frazzled wife staring blankly ahead with attempted Stepford Wife Smile), Yadda Yadda Yadda, hard work to do, yadda yadda yadda, /Returns Salute to new squadron.

[lloydbraun]

I separate in 88 days. Though I'm deployed right now, I'm trying to accomplish online preseparation counseling so I can focus on moving my family when I get back. Low and behold, the preseparation counseling I am REQUIRED to accomplish is on the Army Knowlege Online site. I have to accomplish this counseling, which by the way, doesn't work on AFCENT computers because of Comm restrictions. So, now I have to call a commercial number from a deployed location to talk to a civilian to work into their schedule to complete their requirements that don't help me one dam^ bit. THIS is why I'm getting out. I can't even separate withough completing some bull$hit requirement that has every road block in place imaginable that does nothing but waste my time.

[Mustache Sally]

Once again, this weekend I'll drink for those who can't in Korea...F you, Air Force.

[Cap-10]

As far as speaking in front of the bros, whether is a farewell, or weapons academics, I've always enjoyed the ice water rule.

You can talk as long as you can keep your hand submerged in a bucket of ice water...when you can't stand the cold and take your hand out...your speaking part is over.

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[Smokin]

Seems to be fact...UFB. What's next for this slippery slope of treating all Airman as uncontrollable children that need close control 24 hours a day?

https://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20140703/NEWS/307030062/Commander-puts-30-day-ban-alcohol-incoming-airmen-Korea

That's it, I'm done. Delta: my application will be arriving soon.

[JarheadBoom]

Standing at attention for 45 minutes listening to a scripted speech is stupid.

On the passing out in formation ... locked knees will get you everytime. If it was intentional, I recall Ancient Romans were forced to attend Emperor Nero's musical recitals and plays. They were so bad, people faked heart attacks or going into labor so they would have an excuse to leave.

In the other service, we had a SgtMaj Post & Relief and retirement ceremony rolled into one lovely, cloudless August afternoon. On the flightline. In Dress Blue Deltas. With web belts, magazine pouches, canteens (empty), and rifles. The audience seating and the podium were in the afternoon shade of the hangar; the formations were in the sun.

The outgoing/retiring SgtMaj was infamous for being long-winded. At about the 30min mark, we heard a sickening crack/thump and a rifle falling to the ground, and a half-dozen people go "Holy shit!". A Corporal passed out; as he was falling his face caught the front sight base of the rifle. Knocked one front tooth completely out, broke the other one almost flush with the gumline, broke an additional tooth, and tore his upper lip open badly. That ignorant longwinded motherfucker continued to ramble on about how much of an honor it was to take care of "his Marines" for 27 years while the corpsman tried to stop the bleeding, while the ambulance rolled onto the flightline with the siren blaring, while they loaded the Cpl into the ambulance, and while they drove off the flightline with the siren blaring again. About 15 minutes after the ambulance left, he finally shut the fuck up. The incoming SgtMaj was clearly uncomfortable with the situation; he spoke for about a minute and closed with "Let's get this over with, before we hurt someone else."

[Nineline]

Truth to this?

Awesome! Just in time for my arrival next week for my remote to Osan! I am especially thankful for the 2200 curfew, as forcing me to be in my room at night is extremely helpful in changing my sleep patterns to accommodate the 15 hour time difference.

I also look forward to goal development planning, more AT/FP, SAPR and alcohol briefings as mandated by 7AF/CC during in-processing.

But seriously, two questions:

1. How on earth do they expect to enforce this? Or is it mainly used as justification to throw the book at someone who has an alcohol related incidentI?

2. Is it "all military members" as the sign above states or is this an AF specific policy as reported in the article linked earlier in this thread? It's complete BS if this is AF only. And it seems that TDY personnel on the ROK are exempt from this policy. WTFO?

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Edited July 4, 2014 by Nineline

[Nineline]

Per JQ Public on facebook:

I'd love to hear the JAG explain the "valid military necessity" behind this order. Things like this reinforce the idea that the Air Force is becoming little more than a playground for people who have excessive power and no idea how to wield it responsibly. Of course, when you have hierarchy, a strict loyalty culture, and a penchant for career-ending crackbacks underscoring every order given, who's to say an order is misguided? No one.

As is always the case with idiotic bullshit like this, the targets of the rule will just break it anyway (or get pie-eyed and walk through downtown Seoul in a jock strap and a sailor hat on Day 31), while everyone else didn't need to be told in the first place.

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[17D_guy]

Well.. looks like I'll volunteer for Turkey instead.

Holy balls that's awful. Nothing you want to do more after getting the the jailbird rotator than sit through inprocessing and all those briefing wacked out of your brain.

[Hookdriver]

Korea without alcohol is ######ing scary. All of the USAF ROK was GO-1 a weekend or so ago. Good thing the Army didnt care. Haha.

Edited July 4, 2014 by KiowaDriver

[SPiF]

I separate in 88 days. Though I'm deployed right now, I'm trying to accomplish online preseparation counseling so I can focus on moving my family when I get back. Low and behold, the preseparation counseling I am REQUIRED to accomplish is on the Army Knowlege Online site. I have to accomplish this counseling, which by the way, doesn't work on AFCENT computers because of Comm restrictions. So, now I have to call a commercial number from a deployed location to talk to a civilian to work into their schedule to complete their requirements that don't help me one dam^ bit. THIS is why I'm getting out. I can't even separate withough completing some bull$hit requirement that has every road block in place imaginable that does nothing but waste my time.

There's the "Preseparation counseling form" that is supposed to be filled out and ended up in my AFPC records, but when I separated no one checked the rest of the forms. The folks at AFRC said that you were required to outprocess through them, but MPF didn't give a s**t. I don't think they even looked for the preseparation counseling form. What are they going to do, recall you to AD?

Out of the weeklong TAP class about 30-45 minutes was useful, like the gouge on getting free LinkedIn Premium (you laugh, got 2 job offers that way, 1 of which I took...). The rest of the time I spent sitting in the back, surfing the net, and talking with the recruiters I'd been talking with before I went to TAP. And they were talking about how they were "getting" to add a 1-2 day "How to use the GI Bill" session because people kept jacking it up.