zach braff Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 The comment thread on JQP's blog article about the firing is mind-blowingly amazing - and still going. Highly recommend cooking up some jalapeno popcorn and sitting down for a read.... zb 2
nsplayr Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 The comment thread on JQP's blog article about the firing is mind-blowingly amazing - and still going. Highly recommend cooking up some jalapeno popcorn and sitting down for a read.... zb Damn...crazy stuff on those comment threads. You could pitch that sh*t as a reality show.
BitteEinBit Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 People are getting called out by name. Crazy. What is amazing is that some of those names I haven't seen in a while, but they were trouble makers back when I knew them 5 years ago. The whole thing comes full circle. The AF had probably better fix the perception out there because this will likely make the AF Enquirer since news has been slow lately. I do find it funny about the character assassination attempt by "someone" talking about how the "commander would drink beers and have fun...I didn't realize commanders couldn't drink and have fun anymore (not that you have to drink to have fun). Times have changed...and that is why clubs are failing...but I digress
hispeed7721 Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 I didn't realize commanders couldn't drink and have fun anymore (not that you have to drink to have fun). Times have changed...and that is why the Air Force is failing...but I digress FIFY 1
MSCguy Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 The TFSC gave me a number to some office that was supposedly somewhere in AFMC A1. The number had a DSN prefix that belonged to Scott. I then emailed them back and explained that they sent me to the right office but in the wrong MAJCOM. TFSC rep didn't know that AFMC and AMC were not the same thing. I'm sure glad our AFPC dudes are knowledgable about such things.
di1630 Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Today I used the MPF at a Marine base and was shocked. I honestly felt like I was in a different military. After weeks of dealing with inept, lazy USAF support personnel and civilians to PCS, I was utterly amazed at the difference in professionalism and work that I saw. I was not in uniform so no indication of rank. Makes me really think the USAF has a SEVERE culture problem (on the support side that is)
Fifty-six & Two Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Makes me really think the USAF has a SEVERE culture problem (on the support side that is) Did you get the memo? If it wasn't for those support folks, we wouldn't even have an Air Force. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! 1
FUSEPLUG Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Makes me really think the USAF has a SEVERE culture problem (on the support side that is) Meh, we're pretty f'd up on the ops side too... 1
Smokin Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 But at least most guys in Ops know what their job is and how it fits into, or actually is, the mission. If you had asked those Marines how they supported the mission, I bet they could give you clear, concise, and correct answer. Try that at an AF MPF and you'll just get the RCA dog look.
MSCguy Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 Answer to above question when I was in MX: Our purpose is to do whatever it takes to get jets ready and meet the flying schedule. Answer to above question in medical: Our purpose is to max out our PT scores and work really hard on rewriting our bullets for awards packages.
chim richalds Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 Part of it is our culture, we allow people to get away with shit too much, and pretty soon all our support staff acts like they work at the dmv. 1
jrobe Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 Answer to above question when I was in MX: Our purpose is to do whatever it takes to get jets ready and meet the flying schedule. Or.....ask a crew when they drop dead before you give an ETIC. And base said ETIC on the drop dead time ...so they have to CNX and no delay code is recorded....OPs CNX And/or....do the above...stare at a jet in the next parking spot...and say we have no spare.... Sorry couldn't help myself...... Hate hate hate Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
17D_guy Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 Hey did I miss the part where we start blaming support for the problems in the AF?
Azimuth Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 Hey did I miss the part where we start blaming support for the problems in the AF? Yeah, that's not right. It's obviously Ops's fault.
busdriver Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 What kills me about MX playing stats games is that those stats should help highlight things like under-manning and acquisitions problems. Guess it's better to hide the problems and kick the can down the road. 5
SurelySerious Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 What kills me about MX playing stats games is that those stats should help highlight things like under-manning and acquisitions problems. Guess it's better to hide the problems and kick the can down the road. You mean they don't have a bigger perspective than "it's not our fault"? Shocker.
Ram Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 What kills me about MX playing stats games is that those stats should help highlight things like under-manning and acquisitions problems. Guess it's better to hide the problems and kick the can down the road. THIS. HOLY SHIT, THIS SO FUCKING MUCH, DUDE.
WABoom Posted August 3, 2014 Posted August 3, 2014 I was supposed to fly on Friday but alas, MX couldn't produce a jet. I know they have manning issues, especially 7-Levels, I just hope these problems make it up to AMC.
jrobe Posted August 3, 2014 Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) I was supposed to fly on Friday but alas, MX couldn't produce a jet. I know they have manning issues, especially 7-Levels, I just hope these problems make it up to AMC. MICT will solve everything....even manning There is no way a write up stays a write up....Over and over and over again....it will be fixed by the upper echelon folks Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! Edited August 3, 2014 by jrobe
BitteEinBit Posted August 3, 2014 Posted August 3, 2014 I was supposed to fly on Friday but alas, MX couldn't produce a jet. I know they have manning issues, especially 7-Levels, I just hope these problems make it up to AMC. It won't...no one wants to ever admit there is a problem....especially now while big blue is looking to cut people. Remember, we have to make the stats look good...doesn't matter if we are good or not as long as we look good. And don't even complain about manning. We need resilience, not whiners complaining about manning. Now get back to work making those numbers look good. I want to see all green on the slides tomorrow! "If I don't do anything to negatively highlight myself or my workplace, maybe I'll be safe this round of cuts"
pbar Posted August 3, 2014 Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) Part of the problem is we operators need to do a better job educating the support folks. Granted you'll find a lot who could care less but still. Back when I was a young captain and the squadron EWO (insert nav joke here), I took some of the defense avionics troops into the sim so they could kinda see how we use the stuff (would have loved to get them a flight, but crew chiefs should go first and not enough flights to go around). They were really jazzed about it and the senior guy was a MSgt who told me he'd been working on the B-1 for 15 years and this was the first time a crewdawg had taken him into the sim to explain how we use the equipment he worked on. Did the same thing for the radar maintainers and got the same response. Edited August 3, 2014 by pbar 3
17D_guy Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 Yeah, that's not right. It's obviously Ops's fault. Negative. It's a culture we've allowed to build up over time in all communities. I can't tell you how many Comm guys I get to re-educate about how the aircraft flying is more important than patching their systems, or doing some nerd work. Look at the ESD, you think anyone educated about providing air power had a hand in deciding to roll-out.. and then kill that atrocity? But.. you think only support guys were involved in that decision? No, it's a failure of Support and the Rated officers who run stuff in the Air Force. I imagine some of the same problems persist with our MX brethren as well. Cyber can't get anyone but Space Generals running. Good thing they know what the local Comm Sq. is going through. Part of the problem is we operators need to do a better job educating the support folks. I'm very thankful for this board because it's helped me realize the Ops side of the house. The Amn in my Flight don't even know the aircraft at my base. I'm trying to think of ways to fix that. 4
Day Man Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 call the squadrons, ask to speak to the newest Lt, request statics with them...OPR bullets around, perspective gained for your Amn. 3
SurelySerious Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 https://www.duffelblog.com/2014/02/air-force-change-of-command/#!bu0Dno Sounds about right.
Slander Posted August 4, 2014 Posted August 4, 2014 I'm very thankful for this board because it's helped me realize the Ops side of the house. The Amn in my Flight don't even know the aircraft at my base. I'm trying to think of ways to fix that. 2 on what Day Man said...call up the flying squadron scheduling shop, tell them who you are and what you want to do. They should find an Lt or young Capt to bring you out to a jet within a week. If they don't they're stupid. Nobody likes the zipper-suited sungod prima donna reputation and most guys actively try to fix it. We do pet the jet tours about every 3 weeks for the FTAC course at Spang for every FTAC class. I have given a couple of the tours and some of the Airmen had no idea there are fighters in the fighter wing...it's something. "So do you fly the big jets on the other side of the base too?" is a fairly common question. I've also heard that at a non-RoK PACAF base during the mandatory in-processing briefings they actually give the Secret // NO-FORN mission brief of the base and some capes of the jets at a classification higher than "overseas air show." Another thing that has started happening more and more recently is referencing the base and squadron DOC statement missions. I don't know if the CS has a DOC statement mission, I assume it does. Enabling X A/C to deploy in Y hours or something like that? 3
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