What's wrong with the Air Force?

[YoungnDumb]

On 6/29/2017 at 0:25 PM, dream big said:

Or has it? Where do a good majority of Air Force pilots want to be in a few years? ;)

At ACSC, a Joint non-flying tour, the Pentagon, HAF tour, or better yet, Aide de Camp for some 4-star.  Isn't that what we all dream of?

/sarcasm off

[17D_guy]

So I know we got off the JQP hype-train a couple of years ago.  But his latest one is pretty good and not to hyperbolic.

https://www.jqpublicblog.com/corruption-ranks-mcguire-ig-wrongly-dismisses-ncos-reprisal-complaint/

If someone here has some IG experience, please weigh in.  Because this one is baffling to me.

[FUSEPLUG]

41 minutes ago, 17D_guy said:

So I know we got off the JQP hype-train a couple of years ago.

Yeah, because that site is so infested with ads and click-bait that it's unreadable!  I can't go to that site and stream pandora at the same time because it eats up so much bandwidth/processor/battery.  

[Hacker]

Are people rally surprised anymore when we see that the system is set up to protect the system and Commanders within it, rather than ensure actual justice for the individual servicemember?

Seems to me we see this same fact presented over and over every time a new case like this pops up, and act shocked each time as if we didn't know.

[HU&W]

4 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

So I know we got off the JQP hype-train a couple of years ago.  But his latest one is pretty good and not to hyperbolic.

https://www.jqpublicblog.com/corruption-ranks-mcguire-ig-wrongly-dismisses-ncos-reprisal-complaint/

If someone here has some IG experience, please weigh in.  Because this one is baffling to me.

Wow, JQP's writing has become difficult to read.  That said, I would advise the complainant to review AFI 90-301, 6.6.2.3 (and sub-paragraphs).  I would also advise the complainant to consider contacting the DOD IG Hotline at https://www.dodig.mil/Hotline/, MAJCOM IG, or SAF/IGQ https://www.af.mil/Inspector-General-Complaints/ if he/she feels there is wrongdoing by the local IG office.

Edited July 2, 2017 by HU&W

[Azimuth]

3 hours ago, HU&W said:

Wow, JQP's writing has become difficult to read.  That said, I would advise the complainant to review AFI 90-301, 6.6.2.3 (and sub-paragraphs).  I would also advise the complainant to consider contacting the DOD IG Hotline at https://www.dodig.mil/Hotline/, MAJCOM IG, or SAF/IGQ https://www.af.mil/Inspector-General-Complaints/ if he/she feels there is wrongdoing by the local IG office.

Even if you feel wronged, SAF/IG still "determines" if the complaint is valid for the MAJCOM/IG or even the local IG office to investigate and may possibly kick it down to them.

Wanna have a real IG? Take away local IG's because they're worthless. Consolidate all that manpower to the MAJCOM/IG or possibly SAF/IG to do inspections and complaints. Of course every Commander would shit their pants if HHQ IG came in to investigate a complaint instead of the worthless local IG, who's really just a watchdog for the Wing/CC.

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[HU&W]

6 hours ago, Azimuth said:

Even if you feel wronged, SAF/IG still "determines" if the complaint is valid for the MAJCOM/IG or even the local IG office to investigate and may possibly kick it down to them.

That is not exactly correct.  Complaints are definitely screened for frivolity, but a complaint against a local IG will never be transferred to that IG to self-investigate, in much the same way a local IG does not investigate a complaint against his/her wing commander boss.  

[GlassEmpty]

That is not exactly correct.  Complaints are definitely screened for frivolity, but a complaint against a local IG will never be transferred to that IG to self-investigate, in much the same way a local IG does not investigate a complaint against his/her wing commander boss.  

But they clearly are selected Bird-wannabes serving at the pleasure of the Almighty Wing King while all their year group brothers (and sisters for you PC folk) rock that pretty little wreath that's supposed to bare high regard. This hardly holds a fair shake for complaints against Sq Commanders on a base with only one airframe. It begs for a rewritten letter of the law have a justified review of indiscretions and a more robust legal system.

The systems broke my man.


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[MooseAg03]

Trying to get rid of that ridiculous cat jacket picture.

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[GlassEmpty]

Trying to get rid of that ridiculous cat jacket picture.

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Or those god awful duck lips.


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[matmacwc]

[Herk Driver]

So I know we got off the JQP hype-train a couple of years ago.  But his latest one is pretty good and not to hyperbolic.

https://www.jqpublicblog.com/corruption-ranks-mcguire-ig-wrongly-dismisses-ncos-reprisal-complaint/

If someone here has some IG experience, please weigh in.  Because this one is baffling to me.

 

Have been a NAF/IG but I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night and am trying to write a decent response as I eat breakfast.

 

There has to be more to the story since all reprisal complaints require a MAJCOM and SAF and DOD IG review and approval before being closed out.

 

JQP rails against the McGuire IG but doesn't take to task the DOD IG who would have needed to sign off on this before the complainant received his letter of dismissal? And I mean they read, re-read and buy all the logic of the response, etc and normally send it back for re-work multiple times. I'm not buying it. Maybe the local IG screwed up and gave this guy the letter before he was supposed to or he didn't follow the process. Or maybe there is more to this story than is published here. Either way, I would take my case up with DOD IG ( unless they were complicit) but definitely with my Congressman at this point, if the facts are as presented in the article.

 

 

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[Homestar]

1 hour ago, Herk Driver said:

Have been a NAF/IG but I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night and am trying to write a decent response as I eat breakfast.

 

There has to be more to the story since all reprisal complaints require a MAJCOM and SAF and DOD IG review and approval before being closed out.

 

JQP rails against the McGuire IG but doesn't take to task the DOD IG who would have needed to sign off on this before the complainant received his letter of dismissal? And I mean they read, re-read and buy all the logic of the response, etc and normally send it's clear for re-work multiple times. I'm not buying it. Maybe the local IG screwed up and gave this guy the letter before he was supposed to or he didn't follow the process. Or maybe there is more to this story than is published here. Either way, I would take my case up with DOD IG ( unless they were complicit) but definitely with my Congressman at this point, if the facts are as presented in the article.

 

 

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Wouldn't be the first time JQP jumped to a wrong conclusion and stuck with it. 

[MDDieselPilot]

7 minutes ago, Homestar said:

Wouldn't be the first time JQP jumped to a wrong conclusion and stuck with it. 

This is what I don't get with him.. He was my sq/cc and a fairly balanced guy in person.  For being Harvard-educated and a previous (successful) leader in the military, I'm surprised how closed minded he is to new information.  I've occasionally talked to people "in the know" on various bits he's written who have said they contacted him privately to say he was railing on the wrong guy/girl/office, but he wasn't interested in changing his tone or narrative.

[BFM this]

1 minute ago, MDDieselPilot said:

This is what I don't get with him.. He was my sq/cc and a fairly balanced guy in person.  For being Harvard-educated and a previous (successful) leader in the military, I'm surprised how closed minded he is to new information.  I've occasionally talked to people "in the know" on various bits he's written who have said they contacted him privately to say he was railing on the wrong guy/girl/office, but he wasn't interested in changing his tone or narrative.

Twoop

[Homestar]

27 minutes ago, MDDieselPilot said:

This is what I don't get with him.. He was my sq/cc and a fairly balanced guy in person.  For being Harvard-educated and a previous (successful) leader in the military, I'm surprised how closed minded he is to new information.  I've occasionally talked to people "in the know" on various bits he's written who have said they contacted him privately to say he was railing on the wrong guy/girl/office, but he wasn't interested in changing his tone or narrative.

Same. 

[Day Man]

he sold out, sensationalism gets clicks...can't knock the hustle.

[BFM this]

Sad part is that he's diluted his brand by his own actions.  He had an enviable pile of credibility: here, on his own site, social media, all of it.  

But then again, he wasn't the first down that road.

[ViperMan]

13 hours ago, MDDieselPilot said:

This is what I don't get with him.. He was my sq/cc and a fairly balanced guy in person.  For being Harvard-educated and a previous (successful) leader in the military, I'm surprised how closed minded he is to new information.  I've occasionally talked to people "in the know" on various bits he's written who have said they contacted him privately to say he was railing on the wrong guy/girl/office, but he wasn't interested in changing his tone or narrative.

That guy went to Harvard? Seriously? With some of the arguments I've seen from him, that's pretty surprising.

[Azimuth]

The current Fairchild Wing King asked me, while he was the OG at the Deid two years ago and I was on his staff, if I read JQP, and if I did what I thought. I told him I did read his articles and I either agreed with him, thought he was way off base, or it was just a trash article.

He told me that he read JQP, he went to UPT with Tony and personally knew him. He also asked if I knew that Tony had been published recently by Bright Mountain Media. He has to write so many articles per month to be published.

Explains his nail biters of stories like cameras in the Day rooms of Osan and undercooked chicken at Camp Lejeune.

 

[HU&W]

1 hour ago, ViperMan said:

That guy went to Harvard? Seriously? With some of the arguments I've seen from him, that's pretty surprising.

Ever since he sold his blog to Bright Mountain Media, I think he's been using ghost writers.  There are 3-4 distinct writing styles, a literary voice if you will, with differing sentence structure and word choice.  Tony is definitely still writing.  I think one of the writers is a disgruntled retired SNCO.  There's also at least one other; more sedate, but less educated than Tony.

Edited July 7, 2017 by HU&W

[MDDieselPilot]

1 hour ago, HU&W said:

Ever since he sold his blog to Bright Mountain Media, I think he's been using ghost writers.  There are 3-4 distinct writing styles, a literary voice if you will, with differing sentence structure and word choice.  Tony is definitely still writing.  I think one of the writers is a disgruntled retired SNCO.  There's also at least one other; more sedate, but less educated than Tony.

I've noticed this.  Tony's articles (are sometimes) written at a higher reading level with some complex ideas.  I've read other articles that honestly sound like a poorly educated airman just bitching about the AF with no discernible point, supporting ideas, etc.

 

2 hours ago, ViperMan said:

That guy went to Harvard? Seriously? With some of the arguments I've seen from him, that's pretty surprising.

Harvard Law after retirement.. His FB profile says Amazon manager (or something similar) which seems like an odd move post-Harvard law.  It may or may not be accurate.  I don't particularly care to talk to him, otherwise I'd just ask what he's up to.

[ViperMan]

4 hours ago, HU&W said:

Ever since he sold his blog to Bright Mountain Media, I think he's been using ghost writers.  There are 3-4 distinct writing styles, a literary voice if you will, with differing sentence structure and word choice.  Tony is definitely still writing.  I think one of the writers is a disgruntled retired SNCO.  There's also at least one other; more sedate, but less educated than Tony.

Which of the four who doesn't know jack $hit about the F-16 wrote the article on the Thunderbird mishap?

[GlassEmpty]

Tony Carr sold out as of late, clearly. His website is proof, but we've covered this ad nauseam. It's all about money and hits, so he doesn't care if it falls on deaf ears. I've been privy to know the inside facts of two of his stories and he just lobs mud on a wall trying to see what sticks. IRREGARDLESS, can we get back to sport bitching about how weak the nonners have been lately, continuing to close finance/Comm/fss early for training on thursday's instead of talking about Tony Carr? Unless Tony has an article about the keyboard warriors in those units... I'd enjoy another Nobel Prize worthy piece of investigative journalism from the man himself then.


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[sqwatch]

. IRREGARDLESS,

It wouldn't be so painful if it wasn't in all caps.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=irregardless&amp=true&defid=1408380


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