Seriously Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/23/2018 at 3:45 AM, Champ Kind said: Can someone help me out and explain why the Died needs an exercise planner? Isn’t that a forward deployed base because we execute from there? "Fight like we train" How could we possibly demonstrate our ability to accomplish the mission without exercises?
dream big Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Seriously said: "Fight like we train" How could we possibly demonstrate our ability to accomplish the mission without exercises? Exercises and OREs..let’s stop doing the actual mission to do a fake exercise to prove to leadership that we can do the mission!
raimius Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, dream big said: Exercises and OREs..let’s stop doing the actual mission to do a fake exercise to prove to leadership that we can do the mission! As annoying as it is, there are some missions that need to be practiced to maintain capability, and are not done regularly out there. Hopefully, the guy running exercises will be able to cut the unnecessary ones... As for OREs...yeah, that doesn't make sense.
dream big Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, raimius said: As annoying as it is, there are some missions that need to be practiced to maintain capability, and are not done regularly out there. Hopefully, the guy running exercises will be able to cut the unnecessary ones... As for OREs...yeah, that doesn't make sense. True, I’ve just seen time and time again actual missions get axed so guys can participate in b*ttf*ckery like running around in chem gear through decon lines for the fifth time that year.
isuguy1234 Posted March 27, 2018 Posted March 27, 2018 Just had a day of local leave (approved by my flt/cc in the sqd on leaveweb) get full up denied in leaveweb because per the FSS Airman in reference to AFI umptifrats, my first-line supervisor needs to approve it. I've had lots of leave approved through the years and NEVER has it been denied. Why now?? Isn't it enough that i've spent xx hours defeating comm to get Leaveweb to actually work and let me sign, but now my flt/cc doesn't have the authority to approve my leave?!
HU&W Posted March 27, 2018 Posted March 27, 2018 28 minutes ago, isuguy1234 said: Just had a day of local leave (approved by my flt/cc in the sqd on leaveweb) get full up denied in leaveweb because per the FSS Airman in reference to AFI umptifrats, my first-line supervisor needs to approve it. I've had lots of leave approved through the years and NEVER has it been denied. Why now?? Isn't it enough that i've spent xx hours defeating comm to get Leaveweb to actually work and let me sign, but now my flt/cc doesn't have the authority to approve my leave?! AFI36-3003 4.1.1.2. Unit Approval Level. Unit commanders are the approval authority for annual leave requests and normally delegate approval to a level no lower than the first-line supervisor. Supervisor is just the lower-limit of delegation. Talk to your flt/cc about what happened. Should be an easy fix.
Azimuth Posted March 27, 2018 Posted March 27, 2018 1 hour ago, isuguy1234 said: Just had a day of local leave (approved by my flt/cc in the sqd on leaveweb) get full up denied in leaveweb because per the FSS Airman in reference to AFI umptifrats, my first-line supervisor needs to approve it. I've had lots of leave approved through the years and NEVER has it been denied. Why now?? Isn't it enough that i've spent xx hours defeating comm to get Leaveweb to actually work and let me sign, but now my flt/cc doesn't have the authority to approve my leave?! If you guys are the same rank (junior Capt to Flt/CC Senior Capt) then the FSS Airman just sees the same rank and therefore thinks it can't be approved. Happens a few times in a flying Sq due to all of the Capt/Maj's around.
pawnman Posted March 27, 2018 Posted March 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Azimuth said: If you guys are the same rank (junior Capt to Flt/CC Senior Capt) then the FSS Airman just sees the same rank and therefore thinks it can't be approved. Happens a few times in a flying Sq due to all of the Capt/Maj's around. And to think, I used to approve my supervisor's leave when I was the assistant flight commander.
dream big Posted March 27, 2018 Posted March 27, 2018 6 hours ago, isuguy1234 said: Just had a day of local leave (approved by my flt/cc in the sqd on leaveweb) get full up denied in leaveweb because per the FSS Airman in reference to AFI umptifrats, my first-line supervisor needs to approve it. I've had lots of leave approved through the years and NEVER has it been denied. Why now?? Isn't it enough that i've spent xx hours defeating comm to get Leaveweb to actually work and let me sign, but now my flt/cc doesn't have the authority to approve my leave?! FSS strikes again! Why the hell does an airman in FSS need to be an approval level for leave? Isn’t this the kind of stuff Goldfingers talked about where we give back power to Squadron Commanders? Also not sure which is worse, DTS or Leaveweb. Filling out a voucher or leave form manually worked just fine back in the day.
ThreeHoler Posted March 27, 2018 Posted March 27, 2018 If you guys are the same rank (junior Capt to Flt/CC Senior Capt) then the FSS Airman just sees the same rank and therefore thinks it can't be approved. Happens a few times in a flying Sq due to all of the Capt/Maj's around.Only enlisted have to be higher ranking than the member taking leave. Any rank officer can approve any other officer’s leave as long as they are the supervisor or above.
SocialD Posted March 27, 2018 Posted March 27, 2018 41 minutes ago, dream big said: Also not sure which is worse, DTS or Leaveweb. Filling out a voucher or leave form manually worked just fine back in the day. Administratively, a huge majority of the "advancements" have made it more difficult on the individual, especially part-timers. DTS...a coat hangar abortion compared to the old paper vouchers. I could book my airline ticket/hotel/rental car and get orders cut in a fraction of the time it now takes to just get an auth approved. Leaveweb vs 988s...I've honestly never used leaveweb as my AGR time was before leaveweb. Now any time I take orders (rarely) it's short term ADOS and we still use 988s...super easy, and the FSS doesn't have time to fuck with it because I drop it in a holy joe on the way out the door. AROWS vs 105s...for you AD types that's how we get paid as part timers. It used to take 1 minute...now, depending on how the computers are doing that day, it generally takes 20+ minutes. It recently got slightly less painful, but all they did was make the ugly baby, slightly less ugly. vRED...used to be paper in my mobility folder. UDMs pulled them as needed and we only updated when we actually had a change. Now I have to log in (come on network, don't fail me now), update it, print it off (shit new printer server...gotta remap) and turn in...on EVERY tdy! How is this not automated and no news is good news? CBTs...it used to be the man from LOX video once a year (youtube it). On my last deployment, we couldn't get the powers that be, to get us Link-16...but by God they made damn sure we were all green on our CBTs! 781s/bubble sheets...used to be 2 quick papers. No we have hope the compute in AFE isn't locked out...Shit it locked out, back to the mercy of the networking gods and hope it's not on it's once daily outages. Guess I'll log that next month... Tricare...any Guard bum who regularly goes on/off orders will know what I'm talking about. Painful, but for $47/month, I'll jump through some hoops. 2875s...EVERY FUCKING WHERE WE GO!!!!! GET OFF MY LAWN!!! 1
HossHarris Posted March 27, 2018 Posted March 27, 2018 11 hours ago, isuguy1234 said: Just had a day of local leave (approved by my flt/cc in the sqd on leaveweb) get full up denied in leaveweb because per the FSS Airman in reference to AFI umptifrats, my first-line supervisor needs to approve it. I've had lots of leave approved through the years and NEVER has it been denied. Why now?? Isn't it enough that i've spent xx hours defeating comm to get Leaveweb to actually work and let me sign, but now my flt/cc doesn't have the authority to approve my leave?! Why fix it? you still get the day off, but don’t have to burn a day of leave. Winning. 1
isuguy1234 Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 Yeah i hear that. I fought the battle that is putting leave into the system, the system defeated itself...I win! Flt/CC was the one that originally approved it, std ops, but the Airman decided it was time to exercise his authority. Blows my mind, but add it to the list of things anyway.
Azimuth Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 15 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: Only enlisted have to be higher ranking than the member taking leave. Any rank officer can approve any other officer’s leave as long as they are the supervisor or above. Reg? Also if true, you assume the kid at the FSO knows that (they don't).
ThreeHoler Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 Reg? Also if true, you assume the kid at the FSO knows that (they don't).It is not in a reg. It is in the LeaveWeb programming.
pawnman Posted March 29, 2018 Posted March 29, 2018 12 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: It is not in a reg. It is in the LeaveWeb programming. No it isn't. I approved plenty of leave for others captains as a captain. If it were in the programming, it wouldn't even be an option.
Trogdor Posted March 29, 2018 Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, pawnman said: No it isn't. I approved plenty of leave for others captains as a captain. If it were in the programming, it wouldn't even be an option. Leaveweb never updated my promotion to Major (actually I never bothered to fix it is the correct answer)....I've been approving leave for Major's as a Captain (according to Leaveweb) for over a year. Not a single one rejected. This just sounds like an airman with a chip on his shoulder. But like previously said...looks like you got a day off from your leadership without it actually counting against you. Could be worse.
SurelySerious Posted March 29, 2018 Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, pawnman said: No it isn't. I approved plenty of leave for others captains as a captain. If it were in the programming, it wouldn't even be an option. He said any officer can approve any other officer. You’re partially proving his case.
ThreeHoler Posted March 29, 2018 Posted March 29, 2018 He said any officer can approve any other officer. You’re partially proving his case. Yes. If you read the LeaveWeb manual you will find out that enlisted leave approvals and officer leave approvals are programmed differently even though both groups are treated the same in AFI 36-3003.We used to find the lowest ranking officer (usually a 1Lt but sometimes we could find a casual 2Lt) and have them approve the old crusty Lt Cox’s leave for shits and giggles. We were a hoot let me tell you!
Guardian Posted March 29, 2018 Posted March 29, 2018 Seriously. Are we really talking about who’s leave reg and leave web knowledge penis is larger? Who cares. Hit approve and if it doesn’t let you go under verbal and make mpf fix it. 1
ClearedHot Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 Apparently there has been a spike in accidents and CSAF wants to know why? https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/04/09/air-force-chief-of-staff-orders-review-of-increasing-aviation-mishaps/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB 4/10/18&utm_term=Editorial - Military - Early Bird Brief
HossHarris Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 Who could have possibly predicted this outcome ......
MDDieselPilot Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 I'm not surprised that there is a spike, but what does surprise me is that every single airframe's mishap rate increased... curious to see what this will be attributed to.
BADFNZ Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, MDDieselPilot said: I'm not surprised that there is a spike, but what does surprise me is that every single airframe's mishap rate increased... curious to see what this will be attributed to. You mean besides an aging fleet and all your experience sprinting to the door when their ADSC is up? 1 1
dream big Posted April 10, 2018 Posted April 10, 2018 5 hours ago, ClearedHot said: Apparently there has been a spike in accidents and CSAF wants to know why? https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/04/09/air-force-chief-of-staff-orders-review-of-increasing-aviation-mishaps/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB 4/10/18&utm_term=Editorial - Military - Early Bird Brief I’ve told him to his face why at one of his “CGO round tables” on why pilots are leaving. It’s time he starts firing some wing commanders who are still propelling the queep monster while their pilot exec minions’ 90 day time is in the low tens. 4 2
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