Prosuper Posted July 8, 2018 Posted July 8, 2018 Whatever happened to the ideal giving pilots the choice of staying in the cockpit or going command track?
afaf Posted July 8, 2018 Posted July 8, 2018 On 7/8/2018 at 3:38 AM, flyusaf83 said: Raise your hand if many of the days you drive into work, you dread the fact that your day will be littered with stupid unimportant bullshit that has no tangible meaning. Expand “2”
DirtyFlightSuit Posted July 8, 2018 Posted July 8, 2018 On 7/8/2018 at 3:38 AM, flyusaf83 said: Raise your hand if many of the days you drive into work, you dread the fact that your day will be littered with stupid unimportant bullshit that has no tangible meaning. Expand Wait you have had days that this wasn't true???!! 1
17D_guy Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 Hits keep coming. Got a call from outgoing Sq/CC today notifying me I'm going to get moved to a "great opportunity" to work on a "new mission system," and that the dude they told me for 3 months is just the Interim Dir of Ops is going to stay in place and be the actual DO. He's "got the skill set they need." I had initially asked 3 months ago if this was the case because I had a blue falcon feeling. Sq/CC told me then it was not, that I was the DO "until I heard from him otherwise." So I guess he's not a liar. Asked if I had any concerns. I told him I'd vectored my Command DT input as me already being in a DO position since that's what the 1-star who got me the job advised me to put. Along with my OPR saying DO selection "spot on" (or whatever) and now if I'm not going to be a DO how's that going to impact my career? Since I'll now not get the DO stamp on time, when I was identified as a early year-group candidate...what's the impact? He was quiet and said he'd have to talk to everyone who made the decision about it. Since they didn't think about that before. I hit 20 yrs in Feb 19, ADSC up Nov 19.
Sprkt69 Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 3:29 AM, 17D_guy said: Hits keep coming. Got a call from outgoing Sq/CC today notifying me I'm going to get moved to a "great opportunity" to work on a "new mission system," and that the dude they told me for 3 months is just the Interim Dir of Ops is going to stay in place and be the actual DO. He's "got the skill set they need." I had initially asked 3 months ago if this was the case because I had a blue falcon feeling. Sq/CC told me then it was not, that I was the DO "until I heard from him otherwise." So I guess he's not a liar. Asked if I had any concerns. I told him I'd vectored my Command DT input as me already being in a DO position since that's what the 1-star who got me the job advised me to put. Along with my OPR saying DO selection "spot on" (or whatever) and now if I'm not going to be a DO how's that going to impact my career? Since I'll now not get the DO stamp on time, when I was identified as a early year-group candidate...what's the impact? He was quiet and said he'd have to talk to everyone who made the decision about it. Since they didn't think about that before. I hit 20 yrs in Feb 19, ADSC up Nov 19. Expand Didn’t you hear that the AF has improved the assignment system and that it is looking out for you so that you can have a meaningful life? 2
Vimix22 Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 9:33 AM, Fuzz said: Just remember we could still be part of the Army. Expand Good god I hope they didn't make all the people who just returned participate in that run.
BFM this Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 On 7/8/2018 at 3:09 AM, YoungnDumb said: AF answer- let's spend as much money as we can on a pointless cup that probably won't work but will involve 69 congressional districts Common sense answer- tell your people to put their drinks in a bottle with a cap. Expand Government approved solution$.
MDDieselPilot Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 9:33 AM, Fuzz said: Just remember we could still be part of the Army. Expand As someone currently assigned to an Army unit - I'm not surprised at all. How anyone does 20 in that branch is beyond me.
brabus Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 How anyone goes past their initial commitment in that branch is beyond me.
Guest Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 4:56 PM, brabus said: How anyone goes past their initial commitment in that branch is beyond me.I’ve met some Army O-6s who probably couldn’t keep a job managing a Taco Bell, so the pay/job security probably keeps some in.
Azimuth Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 5:41 PM, ihtfp06 said: I’ve met some Army O-6s who probably couldn’t keep a job managing a Taco Bell, so the pay/job security probably keeps some in. Expand Same applies to the USAF.
Guest Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 5:47 PM, Azimuth said: Same applies to the USAF.Nah. An Air Force Colonel with an honorable service characterization could clearly manage an Apple store.
HarleyQuinn Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) On 7/9/2018 at 5:41 PM, ihtfp06 said: I’ve met some Army O-6s who probably couldn’t keep a job managing a Taco Bell, so the pay/job security probably keeps some in. Expand You didn't have to drop the 🎤 so hard. Daaaaaaamn! Edited July 9, 2018 by HarleyQuinn
SFG Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 New Pilot Shortage interview with NPR https://www.npr.org/2018/07/07/626800470/air-force-faces-pilot-shortage.
brickhistory Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 6:09 PM, ihtfp06 said: Nah. An Air Force Colonel with an honorable service characterization could clearly manage an Apple store. Expand I think a better example would be a USAF O-6 would be an excellent manager of a Radio Shack... 1 1
The_Vandall Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 Was just chatting with a coworker today about Air Force issues. For the past decade plus, the military had been in a situation where they felt they had too many folks. The common response to complaints was, "Well, if you don't like it, then get out!" Now, the military has too few folks, and they're starting to realize that they need to start fixing the things that folks complain about in order to keep people in service. The Air Force in particular has had an extremely difficult time transitioning from the "then get out!" mentality. Rather than realize that folks are in fact voting with their feet, the Air Force just tries to throw more money at them rather than deal with the real issues and complaints that folks have. 1
ThreeHoler Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 They’re not even really trying to throw more money. $35k/yr barely brings the bonus in line with inflation. 1 2
SFG Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 On 7/10/2018 at 12:23 PM, The_Vandall said: Rather than realize that folks are in fact voting with their feet, the Air Force just tries to throw more money at them rather than deal with the real issues and complaints that folks have. Expand But the AF isn’t throwing money at anyone...
The_Vandall Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 On 7/10/2018 at 1:02 PM, ThreeHoler said: They’re not even really trying to throw more money. $35k/yr barely brings the bonus in line with inflation. Expand Agreed. $35K is not enough. I believe they tried to raise it higher ($42K or $45K I think), but it still wouldn't be enough. The insidious part of the bonus though is the ADSC that comes with it. For whatever reason, the Air Force seems to feel like it is perfectly fine to F over folks that are stuck with an ADSC.
ThreeHoler Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 They asked for $60k a year and were denied. John McCain thinks we get paid enough. 1
MDDieselPilot Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 Ironic on his part.. inflation adjusted, we get paid less than he did to fly. 1 3
HarleyQuinn Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 On 7/10/2018 at 3:38 PM, ThreeHoler said: They asked for $60k a year and were denied. John McCain thinks we get paid enough. Expand He is the reason why the costs we pay out of pocket to cover rental housing expenses are increasing to what, 5% next year.
pawnman Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 On 7/10/2018 at 3:38 PM, ThreeHoler said: They asked for $60k a year and were denied. John McCain thinks we get paid enough. Expand Back in McCain's day, you could just draft people to fill the gaps.
LookieRookie Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 On 7/10/2018 at 9:32 PM, pawnman said: Back in McCain's day, you could just draft people to fill the gaps. Expand Or you cheat on your wife to marry an millionaire heiress. 1
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