What's wrong with the Air Force?

[Disco_Nav963]

23 minutes ago, JimNtexas said:

"No rules stopping you from dating a SNCO's daughter home from college"

Of course not.  When MSG Karl Malden's daughter dated LTC Efrem Zimbalist Jr's daughter  there was no problem, even though LTC Zimbalist was MSG Malden's commander.  

President set!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombers_B-52

They showed girl-on-girl in the 50s?

[hindsight2020]

2 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

The latest incident at the Deid typifies why the Air Force is a burning dumpster of idiocy.  For those who have deployed to this garden spot in recent times you might know the story of “Ghost” a stray dog that several squadrons adopted and nursed back to health.  Well it appears the all knowing leadership decided to capture and euthanize “Ghost.”  Hey Fingers, this is why you and your scyophants are FAILING.  Someone have that deployed commander choke himself.

They're citing GO-1 over on FB as to the reason they killed the dog. It's a tough job you know, storming the CENTCOM beaches of Normandy.

What a painful pantomime of life this organization has become. Anthony Swofford shacked it imo when interviewed about it 15 or so years ago.

 

Edited September 16, 2018 by hindsight2020
math is hard.

[matmacwc]

2 hours ago, hindsight2020 said:

Anthony Swofford shacked it imo when interviewed about it 15 or so years ago.

 

NSFW for topic

 

[Bode]

He was married with a pregnant wife. Dating a student. When investigations were ongoing, he buried his cellphone outside a hangar at DRT. Kept it up and brought his student girlfriend to San Antonio while his wife was at the maternity appointment.
He was court martialed in 2015.
 
Edit: 
Here's a link.
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.expressnews.com/news/local/amp/Air-Force-pilot-given-45-days-in-sex-obstruction-6636968.php

He brought the same ex-student (she was admin separated) around the squadron when he was out-processing after his jail sentence.


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[17D_guy]

3 hours ago, Bode said:

He brought the same ex-student (she was admin separated) around the squadron when he was out-processing after his jail sentence.


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About as classy as the rest of his actions.  Was anyone actually "cool" with him at that point or was everyone done with his shit?

[di1630]

About as classy as the rest of his actions.  Was anyone actually "cool" with him at that point or was everyone done with his shit?

Is this guy still in the USAF?


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[xaarman]

Was she hot?

[Hopefulflyer389]

2 hours ago, xaarman said:

Was she hot?

Most important question of them all

[Bode]

Was she hot?

Eh, I would say not even close worth it, average overall. And no he’s not in he had to come to the squadron to outprocess.


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[Danger41]

Article said he was dishonorably discharged.

[Sua Sponte]

On 9/16/2018 at 7:23 PM, Bode said:

He brought the same ex-student (she was admin separated) around the squadron when he was out-processing after his jail sentence.


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He was a BUFF guy previously and OSI found out he was banging a SrA while deployed to Guam before he went to XL.

https://afcca.law.af.mil/content/afcca_opinions/cp/hill-38979.u.pdf

Edited September 18, 2018 by Sua Sponte

[HuggyU2]

Whatever, losers.

I was in Del Rio for 4 years... long before the internet.  Long before Tinder (thankfully). 

There were the guys back then that bitched about "being in the middle of nowhere" and couldn't seem to get over it.  

And there were the guys that realized the environment they were in was not downtown Manhattan.  And those guys had smart, hot girlfriends.  OK... a few weren't that smart... but I digress.  In any case, Del Rio is larger than it was when I was there.  And so is Uvalde.  What's your excuse for not having a great date this weekend?  Make some effort if it is so important to you.  

I'm not going to bore you with stories from long ago, but honestly... you're getting no sympathy from me.  Boo-fuckin-hoo.  

[hindsight2020]

12 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said:

Whatever, losers.

I was in Del Rio for 4 years... long before the internet.  Long before Tinder (thankfully). 

There were the guys back then that bitched about "being in the middle of nowhere" and couldn't seem to get over it.  

And there were the guys that realized the environment they were in was not downtown Manhattan.  And those guys had smart, hot girlfriends.  OK... a few weren't that smart... but I digress.  In any case, Del Rio is larger than it was when I was there.  And so is Uvalde.  What's your excuse for not having a great date this weekend?  Make some effort if it is so important to you.  

I'm not going to bore you with stories from long ago, but honestly... you're getting no sympathy from me.  Boo-fuckin-hoo.  

huggy, we know you have fond memories of the place. That's great. I did my time at DLF as both a single and a family man. And the latter almost didn't happen, thanks to that place.  The Lost Decade affected us all, not just airline folks. So let's keep things in perspective.

I don't think it's a matter of sympathy, but I can tell you categorically that assignment was a hard inflection point in both my personal and professional life. This isn't just about FAIP pussy grabbing on the weekends or some other sophomoric shit, it's about a lot of other opportunity costs that affect the direction of a household in ways I would expect a family man to understand.

 I also have it as fact I did a much longer consecutive stint than you did at the place, so I'm qualified to call bullshit on the implication the place is devoid of opportunity costs.  Which is another way of saying: Anybody can hold their breath for 3.5 years (PCS outprocessing pussyfooting around don't count).

It's not the end of the world, I don't disagree, but let's not be so dismissive the legitimate costs that the place carries on folks with other life circumstances. That's all I'm saying.

[Hopefulflyer389]

6 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

Whatever, losers.

I was in Del Rio for 4 years... long before the internet.  Long before Tinder (thankfully). 

There were the guys back then that bitched about "being in the middle of nowhere" and couldn't seem to get over it.  

And there were the guys that realized the environment they were in was not downtown Manhattan.  And those guys had smart, hot girlfriends.  OK... a few weren't that smart... but I digress.  In any case, Del Rio is larger than it was when I was there.  And so is Uvalde.  What's your excuse for not having a great date this weekend?  Make some effort if it is so important to you.  

I'm not going to bore you with stories from long ago, but honestly... you're getting no sympathy from me.  Boo-fuckin-hoo.  

DLF when @HuggyU2 was there: 

 

[pawnman]

9 hours ago, hindsight2020 said:

huggy, we know you have fond memories of the place. That's great. I did my time at DLF as both a single and a family man. And the latter almost didn't happen, thanks to that place.  The Lost Decade affected us all, not just airline folks. So let's keep things in perspective.

I don't think it's a matter of sympathy, but I can tell you categorically that assignment was a hard inflection point in both my personal and professional life. This isn't just about FAIP pussy grabbing on the weekends or some other sophomoric shit, it's about a lot of other opportunity costs that affect the direction of a household in ways I would expect a family man to understand.

 I also have it as fact I did a much longer consecutive stint than you did at the place, so I'm qualified to call bullshit on the implication the place is devoid of opportunity costs.  Which is another way of saying: Anybody can hold their breath for 3.5 years (PCS outprocessing pussyfooting around don't count).

It's not the end of the world, I don't disagree, but let's not be so dismissive the legitimate costs that the place carries on folks with other life circumstances. That's all I'm saying.

You missed the point. It wasn't that DLF was a bustling town with plenty of options. It was that even then, without technological wizardry, Huggy didn't have to resort to banging students. No reason someone in the modern era should feel the need to put their own career at risk for a piece of ass.

[Duck]

DLF: “It’s not the end of the world, but you can see it from here”

[BashiChuni]

Huggy nailed it. Sts. 

Lots worse places to be. 

[xaarman]

18 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

He was a BUFF guy previously and OSI found out he was banging a SrA while deployed to Guam before he went to XL.

https://afcca.law.af.mil/content/afcca_opinions/cp/hill-38979.u.pdf

Are they living happily ever after?

 

 

[hindsight2020]

39 minutes ago, xaarman said:

Are they living happily ever after?

 

 

Quick FB search shows they're still together.

 

[Bobsan]

20 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

https://afcca.law.af.mil/content/afcca_opinions/cp/hill-38979.u.pdf

"Captain Hill chose to raise his hand and show up to the United States Air Force. When he did that there’s an expectation that he follow those core values and I think of it as this box of core values; the integrity, service and the excellence. He stepped into that box and he cannot step outside of that box without punishment."

STS

[katdude]

I like this discussion. I feel like love and sexual relationships are a personal issue. Serving in the military is a professional thing. It is unfair to punish someone for their actions in their personal life. Just because people are married doesn't mean they love each other. Not all men can stay in love with one woman for the rest of their life. As long as their personal relationships are not affecting their military competency, I think military personnel should not be punished. But what do I know?

[YoungnDumb]

But when your personal life involves banging your professional life at work when explicitly told not too, there is a bit of an issue. 

[BashiChuni]

29 minutes ago, katdude said:

But what do I know?

not a whole lot evidently

[hindsight2020]

10 minutes ago, katdude said:

I like this discussion. I feel like love and sexual relationships are a personal issue. Serving in the military is a professional thing. It is unfair to punish someone for their actions in their personal life. Just because people are married doesn't mean they love each other. Not all men can stay in love with one woman for the rest of their life. As long as their personal relationships are not affecting their military competency, I think military personnel should not be punished. But what do I know?

It's not just relationships, the ARMY made the argument hot chicks are a legitimate distraction towards mission accomplishment, by asserting ugly women in PR efforts retains more credibility. It was a bit hyperbolic of an argument, plus it fell flatter than a MAGA comedian at the Apollo, but there you go. A lot are thinking it, someone (the ARMY, go figure) was bound to blurt it out publicly.

I don't live in the world of what things should be, I live in the world of what things are. As long as men are always thirsty fuckers, thristy Fucketry around sexually marketable women (deployed or not) will endure. I'm not trying to make an endorsement here, I'm just saying....

[katdude]

@hindsight2020 Me being in the Army Reserve for 3 years now - All I heard was that the Air Force indeed has the hottest women. And agree that hot chicks in an infantry squad or special ops squad will somewhat jeopardize the mission. Not because the chick in question in unable to carry out the mission; but because the dudes are "worried" about the safety of that chick during the mission.

43 minutes ago, YoungnDumb said:

But when your personal life involves banging your professional life at work when explicitly told not too, there is a bit of an issue. 

Agree, personal life should be kept personal. That banging should happen out side of work in a hotel room, not in and around work area. But you know there's always these people that get a kick out of doing these things where they are not supposed to do it. That's the adrenaline in them giving them a high. Of course they have to suffer the consequences if they get caught.

@BashiChuni and @LookieRookie For downvoting what I said, please note I did mention that 

"As long as their personal relationships are not affecting their military competency"

And obviously they are not competent if they are "banging your professional life at work when explicitly told not too"

Edited September 19, 2018 by katdude