What's wrong with the Air Force?

[brickhistory]

But to point out - Robin Olds had to force his wing to support the operational mission.

Which means they weren't prior.

So today's attitude isn't new or going to change or be changed by those "hoping to make a difference."

[Danger41]

He also didn’t just brow beat people because he was a fighter pilot and therefore better than them. He got the people working for him to buy into the mission and find importance and honor in their little piece of the pie. Aka, he led.

I’m assuming you guys are referring to his time leading the Wolfpack and the famous story about getting the SSgt maintainer paid. That’s a good story. Other ones that don’t make Olds look so great are his alcoholism, extramarital affairs, and poor flight discipline that got people killed. That, to me, is the true story of Robin Olds. A phenomenal leader with some pretty serious blemishes on his record but was able to put his immense martial talents to use and leave behind an amazing legacy. Unfortunately, I really don’t think he would’ve been able to make it nearly as far as he did in today’s climate. I wonder how many potential Robin Olds are sitting in the front of a Fed Ex/Airline X due to the myriad problems listed on this and other sites. It’s pretty sad, honestly.

[hindsight2020]

3 hours ago, Danger41 said:

He also didn’t just brow beat people because he was a fighter pilot and therefore better than them. He got the people working for him to buy into the mission and find importance and honor in their little piece of the pie. Aka, he led.

I’m assuming you guys are referring to his time leading the Wolfpack and the famous story about getting the SSgt maintainer paid. That’s a good story. Other ones that don’t make Olds look so great are his alcoholism, extramarital affairs, and poor flight discipline that got people killed. That, to me, is the true story of Robin Olds. A phenomenal leader with some pretty serious blemishes on his record but was able to put his immense martial talents to use and leave behind an amazing legacy. Unfortunately, I really don’t think he would’ve been able to make it nearly as far as he did in today’s climate. I wonder how many potential Robin Olds are sitting in the front of a Fed Ex/Airline X due to the myriad problems listed on this and other sites. It’s pretty sad, honestly.

Airline X? You presume too much. Robin Olds would have failed the Hogan.😆

[Prosuper]

15 hours ago, MooseClub said:

^I remember when Ops, not MX, ran the flying schedule. 

Ops always won the scheduling meeting but shit happens. The flying schedule is ran by the airplane itself and supply. If it stays together it flies, but I always noticed on the last flight of the day it came back broke.

[matmacwc]

56 minutes ago, Prosuper said:

Ops always won the scheduling meeting but shit happens. The flying schedule is ran by the airplane itself and supply. If it stays together it flies, but I always noticed on the last flight of the day it came back broke.

I hate that, if it’s code 3 first go then it’s code 3.

[SocialD]

13 minutes ago, matmacwc said:

I hate that, if it’s code 3 first go then it’s code 3.

Code 2 FCR, still good for red...it's my last day out here for the month and I'm on probation.  We have a swing shift now...thanks AD for sending your LTs and some MX jobs.  


I feel like when people click on this thread, they should just be directed to the CC's dropping like flies thread.  

[Prosuper]

7 hours ago, matmacwc said:

I hate that, if it’s code 3 first go then it’s code 3.

Used to work transit alert, when a Sq of Navy jets came through just off a 9 month cruise, if I could get the engines started and serviced hydraulics they were a go. 

[Bigred]

17 minutes ago, Prosuper said:

Used to work transit alert, when a Sq of Navy jets came through just off a 9 month cruise, if I could get the engines started and serviced hydraulics they were a go. 

From personal experience, the willingness to take aircraft that would otherwise be a hard down, just to get off the damn boat, is pretty high.

[Lawman]

3 hours ago, Bigred said:

From personal experience, the willingness to take aircraft that would otherwise be a hard down, just to get off the damn boat, is pretty high.

Same thing coming out of the field for the Army.

Every call to the boss just goes ”I need a one time flight approval....” and 2 hours later there is a flight of 4 outbound from Irwin/Polk/etc where only is FMC and 1 should be flat out red X. 

[17D_guy]

More for the Army - their new PT is fucking stupid and we need to guard against some fat-GS moron at HAF thinking it's a good idea to protect "their" force.

Had a bunch of soldier going through it here in the gym one day and watching them go through it was just...insanity.

[Lawman]

More for the Army - their new PT is ing stupid and we need to guard against some fat-GS moron at HAF thinking it's a good idea to protect "their" force.
Had a bunch of soldier going through it here in the gym one day and watching them go through it was just...insanity.

The only person happy about this new PT test is whatever A hole created it and got the Above Center of Mass rating on his OER.

I give it 2 years before they issue a waiverable status to is where units can “in case of necessity” just use the old APFT.


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[ThreeHoler]

But the Army Times article says soldiers hate the current test!


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[Lawman]

But the Army Times article says soldiers hate the current test!


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They’re still upset we finally bought an M9 replacement so now they can’t just run that story every 4th issue.


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[HarleyQuinn]

8 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

But the Army Times article says soldiers hate the current test!


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The AF will follow suit, just watch and see. We don't like to be left out of buffonery concerning uniforms or PT. We will one up the Army by going to a cross fit style fitness test. Until the AF realizes cross fit causes more injuries than any other workout routine.

Big blue will always be a part of the "Me Too" movement with the Army.

Edited December 2, 2018 by HarleyQuinn

[ThreeHoler]

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1422779/air-force-to-enhance-physical-fitness-test-standards-for-select-career-fields/

Already in the works. AF “enhanced” Tier 2 PFT test.


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[Right Seat Driver]

33 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1422779/air-force-to-enhance-physical-fitness-test-standards-for-select-career-fields/

Already in the works. AF “enhanced” Tier 2 PFT test.


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Gotta be fit to fight...

[FLEA]

Funny thing is if you talk to the ASOSs most of their Airmen can't even pass the new PT test. 

I do see some benefits though. People will practice what they test on. Given the science correlating muscular strength to fat loss and overall health putting a deadlift on was a good move. Is it dangerous? To the idiot yes. But you can make the argument that the military was already insufficiently giving training on physical fitness. Everything I knew about exercise I gained from sports. I saw tons of dudes who never did anything athletic and really had no idea how to meet a baseline fitness. So many people that think you have to run ungodly mileage to stay lean and pass test and that is just not true. 

Edited December 7, 2018 by FLEA

[Hacker]

On 11/28/2018 at 5:15 PM, MooseClub said:

^I remember when Ops, not MX, ran the flying schedule. 

You must be quite an old graybeard, then.  When was that?

[HarleyQuinn]

Mattis Erupts Over Niger Inquiry and Army Revisits Who Is to Blame

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/us/politics/niger-mattis.html

So anyone can drive onto Nellis AFB and security forces will not report it to anyone? I wonder who will be fired for this blunder. And these are the folks you want going outside the wire in combat...smh

https://www.businessinsider.com/nellis-investigating-base-security-breach-alleged-kidnapping-2018-12

 

Edited December 8, 2018 by HarleyQuinn

[IMUA]

Yooooo...that NYT article is bomb diggity.

😳

Everybody has a boss.

[FLEA]

4 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

Mattis Erupts Over Niger Inquiry and Army Revisits Who Is to Blame

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/us/politics/niger-mattis.html

So anyone can drive onto Nellis AFB and security forces will not report it to anyone? I wonder who will be fired for this blunder. And these are the folks you want going outside the wire in combat...smh

https://www.businessinsider.com/nellis-investigating-base-security-breach-alleged-kidnapping-2018-12

 

Whole situation (Niger ambush) is an ethical knot of responsibility. At stake, is the fact that staffs continue to issue tasks to subordinate units without adequate time to prepare a quality representation of facts. The higher leadership wants to blame a Captain for misrepresenting a situation when the Captain argues he did the damn best he could for a tight suspense and limited resources. 

To top this, SOCOM as a whole has been negatively portrayed in the media far too much recently and I think Mattis is looking to take some heads for the organizational culture that seems to be faltering. 

Edited December 8, 2018 by FLEA

[Bigred]

6 minutes ago, FLEA said:

Whole situation (Niger ambush) is an ethical knot of responsibility. At stake, is the fact that staffs continue to issue tasks to subordinate units without adequate time to prepare a quality representation of facts. The higher leadership wants to blame a Captain for misrepresenting a situation when the Captain argues he did the damn best he could for a tight suspense and limited resources. 

To top this, SOCOM as a whole has been negatively portrayed in the media far too much recently and I think Mattis is looking to take some heads for the organizational culture that seems to be faltering. 

I was in Africa when this happened and there were a lot of cultural issues that had become accepted norms, that, once this happened made everyone step back and go ‘wtf?’.

 

That said, the Captain was getting scapegoated and we all saw it happening. I’m glad Secretary Mattis recognized what was happening, but it’s sad it took the SecDef to do so. 

[FLEA]

Reminds me of the AC-130 crew that hit the doctor's without borders hospital. There are still facts of that case that make me uneasy. 

[HarleyQuinn]

8 hours ago, Bigred said:

I was in Africa when this happened and there were a lot of cultural issues that had become accepted norms, that, once this happened made everyone step back and go ‘wtf?’.

 

That said, the Captain was getting scapegoated and we all saw it happening. I’m glad Secretary Mattis recognized what was happening, but it’s sad it took the SecDef to do so. 

Because we don't have leaders anymore. Just yes men. I think you have to know when to stand up for people and when to shut up. It's a fine line because if you go against the norm, you put your career at risk. 

[Day Man]

On 12/7/2018 at 9:44 PM, HarleyQuinn said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/07/us/politics/niger-mattis.html

Quote

"Defense Secretary Jim Mattis was livid last month when he summoned top military officials to a video conference at the Pentagon to press them about an investigation into a 2017 ambush in Niger that killed four Americans on a Green Beret team."

"More than a year after the ambush — the American military’s largest loss of life in Africa since the 1993 “Black Hawk Down” debacle in Somalia — top military leaders continue to battle over how to apportion blame and who should be held accountable."

Oh really?

https://www.hurlburt.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/204913/four-hurlburt-airmen-die-in-u-28a-crash-in-djibouti/