What's wrong with the Air Force?

[ClearedHot]

6 hours ago, Hacker said:

I never bought into this new-agey idea that profanity is somehow not professional.

It is just one of the tools in the professional's toolbox. One that can be highly effective.

What is unprofessional is when that tool is improperly used, and unfortunately it often is.

Concur...reflecting on feedback throughout my career that I use profanity as a verb, noun, adjective....you get the fucking picture.

[Ryder1587]

Funny to watch the CMSAF media accounts.  It’s constantly deleted with anything that is negative towards here and it just keeps fueling the fire. Standard AF answer. We only listen to the answers we want. Suppress the rest. She’s a terrible role model. 

[Hacker]

13 hours ago, Ryder1587 said:

Standard AF answer. We only listen to the answers we want. Suppress the rest. She’s a terrible role model completely predictable, intentional product of the cancerous system of leadership that raised her, promoted her, and hired her. 

 

[uhhello]

2 hours ago, MyCS said:

Had to do the same thing with an A1C. Shirt was trying to take his driving privileges away on base and some other BS. The kid loved to speed on his motorcycle. I threatened to call his damn momma. I told him I don't want to have to make that call to tell his mom he is dead due to excessive speeding and she needs to identify his remains. He cried and we never had a problem again.

He cried because you told him you were going to call his "mama"?  

[Tank]

1 hour ago, uhhello said:

He cried because you told him you were going to call his "mama"?  

[pawnman]

12 hours ago, Hacker said:

Standard AF answer. We only listen to the answers we want. Suppress the rest. She’s a terrible role model completely predictable, intentional product of the cancerous system of leadership that raised her, promoted her, and hired her. 

While I don't fully disagree...didn't the same system produce Chief Wright?

Why was one so great and another so terrible?

[nsplayr]

6 minutes ago, pawnman said:

While I don't fully disagree...didn't the same system produce Chief Wright?

Why was one so great and another so terrible?

To me a system that claims to select for merit that produces a scattershot of amazing people and total douchbags is pretty clearly failing to live up to its claim.

[17D_guy]

2 hours ago, nsplayr said:

To me a system that claims to select for merit that produces a scattershot of amazing people and total douchbags is pretty clearly failing to live up to its claim.

Yea, that's why I made that comment about "merit based systems" in the other thread.

People get ahead for all kinds of reasons, easy to deal with, extra smart, favors...not strictly merit based.  Got a guy who's early to command I used to work with who was a complete douchebag who produced nothing but more meetings.

Col Shitbird loved him though.

[jrizzell]

While I don't fully disagree...didn't the same system produce Chief Wright?

Why was one so great and another so terrible?

Hopefully, she and her staff have learned, that continual daily engagement on Facebook is fraught with disaster. She’s been apart of two self-inflicted, and avoidable missteps.


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[tac airlifter]

5 hours ago, pawnman said:

While I don't fully disagree...didn't the same system produce Chief Wright?

Why was one so great and another so terrible?

Chief Wright was also terrible.

[pawnman]

2 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Chief Wright was also terrible.

Strongly disagree.

But if that's your take...who was the last good CMSAF?

[tac airlifter]

5 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Strongly disagree.

But if that's your take...who was the last good CMSAF?

No idea.  Not being enlisted I have spent my career ignoring the position.  My comment is based on personal interaction.

[nsplayr]

3 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Chief Wright was also terrible.

Blasphemy against Enlisted Jesus! You, sir, are hereby excommunicated.

p.s. - I have no dog in this fight, I didn't know Wright nor do I know Bass or anyone else who's ever been CMSAF.

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

No idea.  Not being enlisted I have spent my career ignoring the position.  My comment is based on personal interaction.

OK...so you don't have any enlisted folks that work for you?  You don't have any in the squadron?

Sorry you had a bad interaction with the dude, but there is absolutely no question he improved the lives of enlisted members enormously during his tenure.

[tac airlifter]

15 minutes ago, pawnman said:

OK...so you don't have any enlisted folks that work for you?  You don't have any in the squadron?

Sorry you had a bad interaction with the dude, but there is absolutely no question he improved the lives of enlisted members enormously during his tenure.

It seems we have different opinions on the man.  However I know mine is an opinion, whereas you think there’s “absolutely no question” yours is fact.

edited to add: sorry if this comes of like a dick, wasn’t my intent but it totally reads that way.

Edited February 4, 2021 by tac airlifter

[17D_guy]

4 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

It seems we have different opinions on the man.  However I know mine is an opinion, whereas you think there’s “absolutely no question” yours is fact.

edited to add: sorry if this comes of like a dick, wasn’t my intent but it totally reads that way.

I'm a prior-E, so I have some appreciation for the position.  I also worked in mostly E environments my whole commissioned career (comm sq's, cyber ops sq's).

While your opinion was not absent, it is extremely minuscule among the Enlisted Airmen that I interacted with.

E-9 Cody on the other hand, I worked with one of his enlisted execs...oh the stories, also about his wife.  Anyone who wasn't a Molotov Douche would be better than that guy, so EJ got some push from that.

Do you mind elaborating on your interaction that caused your dislike?  I got saluted by him as he visited our unit and I was leaving and he was professional and nice.  Never thought I'd ever be in that position, so it was pretty cool to me.

[dream big]

On 1/31/2021 at 8:15 PM, ToHoldShort said:

Telling a one sided story blasting an airman without due diligence to research the other side of the story. And then editing the original post

 

 

She’s a huge social justice warrior and nonner; of course the dude was obviously the bad guy in this divorce mess.  Good lord does she have anything better to do? 

[Guardian]

Strongly disagree.
But if that's your take...who was the last good CMSAF?

Chief Wright was the most recent guy right? Glad that racist dude is gone. In a day and age where the AF is pushing to clean up the system he needed to be shown the door.

[pawnman]

45 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Chief Wright was the most recent guy right? Glad that racist dude is gone. In a day and age where the AF is pushing to clean up the system he needed to be shown the door.

Racist?

OK.

[Guardian]

Watch his video with Goldfien about all the stuff this summer. He calls his own kids by names of convicted thugs and bad dudes then talks about some pretty shady stuff which is about black supremacy and anti white. It’s racist.

Racism defined simply as the preference of one race over another or superior to another. His glorifying people of his skin color and then attributing their wrongs to his own kids isn’t the kind of example we should set for people in the Air Force. It’s not equality he was pushing. It wasn’t MLK character of a man he was pushing.

[Negatory]

27 minutes ago, Guardian said:

It wasn’t MLK character of a man he was pushing.

What specifically does this mean?

[Guardian]

Reference teachings of MLK.

The person that BLM’s values don’t align with.

[Bigred]

Being fairly new, I find it interesting how much attention is given to the CMSAF role and the person in it. In 19 years of the Navy, I couldn’t give you one name of a MCPON (Navy top enlisted).

I guess my point, the CMSAF seems it’s more about the person and less about the job. At least that’s my perception. 

[sixblades]

10 hours ago, Guardian said:

Watch his video with Goldfien about all the stuff this summer. He calls his own kids by names of convicted thugs and bad dudes then talks about some pretty shady stuff which is about black supremacy and anti white. It’s racist.

Racism defined simply as the preference of one race over another or superior to another. His glorifying people of his skin color and then attributing their wrongs to his own kids isn’t the kind of example we should set for people in the Air Force. It’s not equality he was pushing. It wasn’t MLK character of a man he was pushing.

If that’s what you gathered from that video and his body of work as the CMSAF, then you have serious problem. 

[Guardian]

If that’s what you gathered from that video and his body of work as the CMSAF, then you have serious problem. 

I agree