What's wrong with the Air Force?

[SocialD]

10 hours ago, Bigred said:

Being fairly new, I find it interesting how much attention is given to the CMSAF role and the person in it. In 19 years of the Navy, I couldn’t give you one name of a MCPON (Navy top enlisted).

I guess my point, the CMSAF seems it’s more about the person and less about the job. At least that’s my perception. 

 

I was enlisted for 5 years and I only knew the CMSAF that I was required to memorize during basic training.  After that, I never knew (nor did I care) who the CMSAF was...still don't.  For that matter, I honestly couldn't care less who is the current CSAF.  Everyone has high hopes/they talk a big game...then nothing really changes.  I take that back, there have been plenty of changes, mostly requiring I do more and more work that others should be doing.

[ClearedHot]

Ungrateful peasants!

 

[SocialD]

4 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Ungrateful peasants!

 

But we all spent 14 days in Q-town quarantine, so we should all be good to go, right?  Or were we just wasting our lives sitting in that mold infested, shithole?  

[Hawg15]

13 hours ago, Bigred said:

Being fairly new, I find it interesting how much attention is given to the CMSAF role and the person in it. In 19 years of the Navy, I couldn’t give you one name of a MCPON (Navy top enlisted).

I guess my point, the CMSAF seems it’s more about the person and less about the job. At least that’s my perception. 

In the AF there is a culture of pretending a SGT of any sorts is superior to an officer under the rank of O-6, and if they are an E-8/9 then maybe even more authority than an O-6. It’s perpetuated across career fields and weak officers let it happen. They even support it by telling young officers they need to shut up and listen to the Sgts. 
 

I’m sure you have already noticed, that compared to the Navy and USMC, authority is non existent in the Air Force below the wing commander level. A piece of paper stamped by an A1C holds more merit than the command authority granted to most “commanders.” The need for a squadron commander to ask “mother may I” through the group and wing CC, and in some cases to a star (like covid ETPs), is absurd. 

[M2]

13 hours ago, Bigred said:

Being fairly new, I find it interesting how much attention is given to the CMSAF role and the person in it. In 19 years of the Navy, I couldn’t give you one name of a MCPON (Navy top enlisted).

I guess my point, the CMSAF seems it’s more about the person and less about the job. At least that’s my perception. 

You are correct.

 

[Blue]

On 2/2/2021 at 8:11 PM, Hacker said:

Standard AF answer. We only listen to the answers we want. Suppress the rest. She’s a terrible role model completely predictable, intentional product of the cancerous system of leadership that raised her, promoted her, and hired her. 

 

On 2/3/2021 at 8:49 AM, pawnman said:

While I don't fully disagree...didn't the same system produce Chief Wright?

Why was one so great and another so terrible?

Because the reality is the most important consideration in choosing leadership is making sure the candidates check the  appropriate diversity boxes.

Whether that is a misplaced priority is another discussion (I certainly don't agree with it).

When trying to fill a position like Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force, you're already looking at a pretty small pool of eligible candidates.  Now, add a requirement that the selectee must fit some diversity checkbox, and all of a sudden the pool gets even smaller.  It's basic arithmetic.

Sometimes, within the small pool you're still able to find a good candidate.  Sometimes you don't.  Selecting someone for a position like this is an imperfect process to begin with, and there is no sure-fire way to success.  But the smaller you make the pool by adding extra constraints, the more chance you'll end up with some clown who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground.

Edited February 8, 2021 by Blue
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[uhhello]

7 minutes ago, Blue said:

 

Because the reality is the most important consideration in choosing leadership is making sure the candidates check the  appropriate diversity boxes.

Whether that is a misplaced priority is another discussion (I certainly don't agree with it).

When trying to fill a position like Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force, you're already looking at a pretty small pool of eligible candidates.  Now, add a requirement that the selectee must fit some diversity checkbox, and all of a sudden the pool gets even smaller.  It's basic arithmetic.

Sometimes, within the small pool you're still able to find a good candidate.  Sometimes you don't.  Selecting someone for a position like this is an imperfect process to begin with, and there is not sure fire way to success.  But the smaller you make the pool by adding extra constraints, the more chance you'll end up with some clown who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground.

They skipped over the usual MAJCOM Chiefs and went deeper into the NAFs (non-standard) to select her.

[pawnman]

8 minutes ago, Blue said:

 

Because the reality is the most important consideration in choosing leadership is making sure the candidates check the  appropriate diversity boxes.

Whether that is a misplaced priority is another discussion (I certainly don't agree with it).

When trying to fill a position like Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force, you're already looking at a pretty small pool of eligible candidates.  Now, add a requirement that the selectee must fit some diversity checkbox, and all of a sudden the pool gets even smaller.  It's basic arithmetic.

Sometimes, within the small pool you're still able to find a good candidate.  Sometimes you don't.  Selecting someone for a position like this is an imperfect process to begin with, and there is not sure fire way to success.  But the smaller you make the pool by adding extra constraints, the more chance you'll end up with some clown who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground.

Perhaps.

It's unfortunate because I personally worked with other black female chiefs who would be doing a far better job than Chief Bass.

[pawnman]

35 minutes ago, MyCS said:

Any particular reason why the B-2 led the flyover formation for the Super Bowl opposed to the beautiful B-52?

Usually the least maneuverable aircraft leads a mixed formation. 

[Hawg15]

1 hour ago, MyCS said:

Any particular reason why the B-2 led the flyover formation for the Super Bowl opposed to the beautiful B-52?

It’s a better angle for taking tiktoks with the other bombers in the background. 

[Sua Sponte]

2 hours ago, pawnman said:

Usually the least maneuverable aircraft leads a mixed formation. 

Did all of the available B-1 fleet at Dyess get generated for the one in the flyover?

[pawnman]

38 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Did all of the available B-1 fleet at Dyess get generated for the one in the flyover?

It was an Ellsworth jet, but I'm sure they had three ready to go.

[GKinnear]

11 hours ago, uhhello said:

They skipped over the usual MAJCOM Chiefs and went deeper into the NAFs (non-standard) to select her.

And from what I've heard, as soon as they announced they were looking into NAFs, everyone knew the game was rigged.

[Sua Sponte]

11 hours ago, GKinnear said:

And from what I've heard, as soon as they announced they were looking into NAFs, everyone knew the game was rigged.

Of course the game is rigged. She checks two important diversity boxes, and she was solely hired off that. She wasn't the best person for the job, and it currently shows via her buffoonery on social media.

Edited February 8, 2021 by Sua Sponte

[HuggyU2]

The BUFF should have been pulling a banner that stated “Bring back SAC”

Also... 1+2+52 = 55. 

[pawnman]

8 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

Of course the game is rigged. She checks two important diversity boxes, and she was solely hired off that. She wasn't the best person for the job, and it currently shows via her buffoonery on social media.

If only they'd dug deeper than NAF, they'd have found more qualified people who ALSO checked diversity boxes instead of someone who homesteaded at Ramstein for 15 years.

Edited February 8, 2021 by pawnman

[Tank]

25 minutes ago, MyCS said:

Wait what.. counting on toes 🦶 and fingers 🖐️. My public school math skills at work.

Pawnman off the top rope with the peoples elbow!

 

Quick question. My boy (officer) in cyber has been stationed in Italy, Korea, Germany, TX, CO, and FL. You guys ever wonder what life would have been like selecting a different job with the opportunity to PCS anywhere? 

I would never trade being a pilot for cyber but yes, his locations definitely beat my Pope, Vance, Whiteman, Osan, & Columbus!

I would say my locations are still better than Cannon, Holloman, Minot, & Laughlin.  But that’s my opinion...

[FLEA]

10 hours ago, MyCS said:

True. But would your spouse feel the same way? 

Now you really made me feel good about 7 day opting my assignment to Laughlin! 

And the Chief is done. When people start roasting you on YouTube.. it's over.

https://youtu.be/a3p3S89PX74

Why she isn't already removed for this is beyond me. 

[pawnman]

3 hours ago, FLEA said:

Why she isn't already removed for this is beyond me. 

Optics.

Can't preach diversity then remove your diversity hire only a few months in.  Or less than a full month into the Biden administration, which also ran on a platform of diversity.

[Duck]

How in the world did she even make E-9??? Never mind, I know why, forget I asked.


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[pawnman]

29 minutes ago, Duck said:

How in the world did she even make E-9??? Never mind, I know why, forget I asked.


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And here a year ago I was told I was passed over for Lt Col because I didn't have enough "career broadening" (although on the new boards broken down by category...my time in the cockpit suddenly became valuable enough to get promoted.  So I guess I win).

Ah, well...guess I'll just have to console myself with my aviation bonus money.

[FourFans]

What I can't understand is why everyone is so up in arms about some old, old wooden ship!

Edited February 12, 2021 by FourFans130

[pawnman]

6 hours ago, Tiger said:

Just curious, did anyone here receive an email about filling out some sort of survey for Bass?  I was sent a word document asking me to write in problems with the Air Force, and suggested solutions. Supposedly the answers are going straight to Bass in a non-attribution manner.

On the one hand...I don't believe anything coming directly from my own email is non-attribution.

On the other hand...I already have a line number to Lt Col.  So not exactly afraid of a chief at any level.

[jazzdude]

Just curious, did anyone here receive an email about filling out some sort of survey for Bass?  I was sent a word document asking me to write in problems with the Air Force, and suggested solutions. Supposedly the answers are going straight to Bass in a non-attribution manner.

Is it on the AF-approved survey list?...Or is the CMSAF going off script and ignoring AF policy?

[Day Man]

1 hour ago, MyCS said:

Any advice?

stop posting your trolling Shazaam shit in irrelevant threads?