What's wrong with the Air Force?

[Chida]

Where’s my damned violin?!

[bfargin]

4 hours ago, Stoker said:

Eh, I get it. People were getting legally persecuted for being gay less than fifteen years ago. I've been to retirement ceremonies where someone brought their partner - who they had to hide for the first ten years of their career or their career would have been over. That's sad, and the scars from that don't go away overnight.

Yeah the pedos/homos/trans are just different delusional clowns in the same insane alphabet circus/freakshow. Nothing beneficial to the individual or to society when encouraged. Should be discouraged just like all bad decisions.

[mcbush]

55 minutes ago, bfargin said:

Yeah the pedos/homos/trans are just different delusional clowns in the same insane alphabet circus/freakshow. Nothing beneficial to the individual or to society when encouraged. Should be discouraged just like all bad decisions.

Do you really think it's fair to lump "homos" in with pedophiles?

Like most of us, I had the privilege of serving with many gay Airmen, although in many cases I didn't even realize it until years later. The vast majority were quiet professionals and great Americans who made important contributions to mission accomplishment... you know, just like most other service members you'd encounter over the course of a career.

I also (unknowingly) served with one pedophile, who killed himself when his crimes came to light.

So again I ask, do you earnestly think these two groups belong in the same boat?

[pbar]

6 hours ago, brabus said:

 

I also don’t understand the “need” to cover yourself in pride paraphernalia…I don’t care who you love or bang, why do you need to shove it in everyone’s face? Maybe we should start a blue/pink themed movement that celebrates dudes banging chicks. I’m sure DAL will love to let me wear a blue/pink striped lanyard that represents my love for women and fucking them, especially during heterosexual pride month.
 

 

The four stages of a social movement; 1) tolerance 2) acceptance 3) celebration 4) participation.  We are in stage 3 now and you already see some stage 4 going on (men-who-identify-women complaining lesbians won't date them).  I think most of us are just fine with stages 1 & 2, but I get canceled because I won't wear a Pride shirt?  GMAFB. 

[SocialD]

5 hours ago, Stoker said:

Eh, I get it. People were getting legally persecuted for being gay less than fifteen years ago. I've been to retirement ceremonies where someone brought their partner - who they had to hide for the first ten years of their career or their career would have been over. That's sad, and the scars from that don't go away overnight.

 

Pfft, forced to do the same with my enlisted girlfriends...you don't see me asking for a celebration month for my persecution!

Edited June 2, 2023 by SocialD

[Prosuper]

31 minutes ago, mcbush said:

Do you really think it's fair to lump "homos" in with pedophiles?

Like most of us, I had the privilege of serving with many gay Airmen, although in many cases I didn't even realize it until years later. The vast majority were quiet professionals and great Americans who made important contributions to mission accomplishment... you know, just like most other service members you'd encounter over the course of a career.

I also (unknowingly) served with one pedophile, who killed himself when his crimes came to light.

So again I ask, do you earnestly think these two groups belong in the same boat?

Today's problem is that the pedo's see how the gays have been accepted into polite society. They use this as their foot in the door by saying we don't have a choice of our own sexual preference just like the gay community. They are trying to normalize that being sexually attracted to a small child is OK. Especially in Texas where pedos are murdered by parents whose children were destroyed by them unless it's in Travis County.  Jury nullification everywhere else especially if all 12 jurors are parents. It doesn't matter if a DA is full on Soros funded lawyer, if children are hurt by these monsters the families will take justice into their own hands because the courts will fail in legality plus crowd funding will pay for the parents legal fees.

[hindsight2020]

40 minutes ago, SocialD said:

 

Pfft, forced to do the same with my enlisted girlfriends...you don't see me asking for a celebration month for my persecution!

 

boy have you said a mouthful. Like I've said before...Tumon Bay was my Vietnam... 😄 

[nsplayr]

8 hours ago, bfargin said:

Yeah the pedos/homos/trans are just different delusional clowns in the same insane alphabet circus/freakshow. Nothing beneficial to the individual or to society when encouraged. Should be discouraged just like all bad decisions.

This to me is why we still need pride month. The vocal dead-enders who are still virulently and actively anti-gay rights, let alone tolerant, accepting, etc.

Gay people are not pedophiles, I don’t know how that even gets lumped together. I’ve known one pedophile in my life and he was straight (e.g. grown man attracted to underaged girls).

Extremely weird story…one of my friends’ dad, school board president, retired army O5 -> intel community GS, super nice (seemingly) upstanding guy. Had a high-level clearance with a poly and somehow got into a box canyon on a routine reexamination and admitted to terrible crimes. Went to a federal pound you in the ass prison. FAFO. Everyone was shocked.

Anyways, I digress…it sounds like you’ve never had a gay best friend or a gay kid. I have both.

Too bad, the experience might change your hard heart to one able to understand that homosexuality has always been a part of the human condition and it’s not gonna go away if you hate it extra loudly. You’re just going to hurt people who deserve to be loved and accepted just the same as you or me.

Edited June 3, 2023 by nsplayr

[BashiChuni]

we don't need pride month lol.

not even in the slightest.

and no gays are not pedophiles...in fact a lot of them are pushing back hard (sts) against the trans militant movement.

pushing the pride agenda on children is a bridge too far for most Americans and inappropriate

[bfargin]

Homos are 18Xs more likely to be pedos. The three predilections I lumped together, all deny reality and the design of humanity. To engage in any of that behavior is bad for the individual, the culture, and society as a whole. I know when it’s personal it’s more difficult to see the truth but that doesn’t change the facts.

[uhhello]

27 minutes ago, bfargin said:

Homos are 18Xs more likely to be pedos. The three predilections I lumped together, all deny reality and the design of humanity. To engage in any of that behavior is bad for the individual, the culture, and society as a whole. I know when it’s personal it’s more difficult to see the truth but that doesn’t change the facts.

You're a dying breed buddy.  You stay strong to your convictions.  I got $100 you have gay porn on your computer 🙂 

[bfargin]

25 minutes ago, uhhello said:

You're a dying breed buddy.  You stay strong to your convictions.  I got $100 you have gay porn on your computer 🙂 

Oh you got me. Ouch. I just haven’t bought into the 30 years of brainwashing and attempted normalization of destructive behavior.
 

I’ve got some good friends who have a child each who bought into all this crap and it’s ruined both of the kid’s lives. Tons of mental health issues and destructive behavior. It’s just a poor choice and the whole push towards it pisses me off when I’ve seen two families impacted by the whole alphabet crew.
 

Again, there is nothing good for the individual or the family that can come from choosing abnormal behavior.

[HossHarris]

1 hour ago, bfargin said:

Oh you got me. Ouch. I just haven’t bought into the 30 years of brainwashing and attempted normalization of destructive behavior.
 

I’ve got some good friends who have a child each who bought into all this crap and it’s ruined both of the kid’s lives. Tons of mental health issues and destructive behavior. It’s just a poor choice and the whole push towards it pisses me off when I’ve seen two families impacted by the whole alphabet crew.
 

Again, there is nothing good for the individual or the family that can come from choosing abnormal behavior.

So you think homosexuality is a choice then?

[CaptainMorgan]

Homos are 18Xs more likely to be pedos. The three predilections I lumped together, all deny reality and the design of humanity. To engage in any of that behavior is bad for the individual, the culture, and society as a whole. I know when it’s personal it’s more difficult to see the truth but that doesn’t change the facts.

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[Jam]

4 hours ago, bfargin said:

Homos are 18Xs more likely to be pedos. The three predilections I lumped together, all deny reality and the design of humanity. To engage in any of that behavior is bad for the individual, the culture, and society as a whole. I know when it’s personal it’s more difficult to see the truth but that doesn’t change the facts.

People like you are exactly the reason we need pride month. There’s nothing wrong with being gay, it’s not a choice, and they are not pedos.

nevermind the fact that your “18x more likely” stat is completely made up, I’m sure you’re not as outspoken against pedos within the church- which is far more prevalent.

and I’d match that $100 on you most definitely having gay porn on your computer. 

[Mark1]

52 minutes ago, Jam said:

...and I’d match that $100 on you most definitely having gay porn on your computer. 

I'd put $100 on him having worn out several pairs of tap shoes in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul Airport bathrooms over the years.  The lady doth protest too much.

[pawnman]

3 hours ago, Jam said:

People like you are exactly the reason we need pride month. There’s nothing wrong with being gay, it’s not a choice, and they are not pedos.

nevermind the fact that your “18x more likely” stat is completely made up, I’m sure you’re not as outspoken against pedos within the church- which is far more prevalent.

and I’d match that $100 on you most definitely having gay porn on your computer. 

Is it too late to make a $100 bet about gay porn on bfargin's computer?

Can I make a $50 side bet that he's looked for love in the gay connections section of Craigslist?

[Danger41]

At the risk of getting lumped into the “gay porn on the computer” parlay, I think the Pride movement has gone completely off the rails. There’s a massive difference between Harvey Milk fighting proposition 6 that stated mandatory firing of gay teachers and where the movement is now. Hell, the NYC pride parade had 3 trans and a lesbian as the marshals in 2022. Yes, gay pride now means gay isn’t enough. Wtf.
 

And watch the video below from Liberal champion Bill Maher about LGBT issues that I think sums up the majority of peoples feelings on this issue. 

 So not in all instances, but yes I think homosexuality/gender dysmorphia/etc is a choice. 
 

Before I get a bunch of rainbow colored grenades and Zima Molotov cocktails thrown at me, I 100% acknowledge that societal pressures in the past kept those numbers down and still affect many today. 

[HeloDude]

Not sure what gay pride has to do with people also wanting to be able to perform drag shows in front of young children, but from my vantage point, the two seem to be connected somehow these days.

Like many on here, I also have good friends who are gay, and I’m glad they can live their lives as they desire (the government needs to stay out of the marriage issue all together btw).  But I find it interesting (and strange) how the left wants to be able to lump drag queen shows in front of young children as part of gay rights?  Or how banning gender surgical operations for children is a bad thing?

[Biff_T]

This is probably going to shock a lot of people but who cares what consenting adults do behind closed doors?  As for pedophiles, they are not trying to bang consenting adults. While we're at it legalize prostitution.  Who cares?   Just stop telling me that a kid is victim of "genocide" (they really need to look up the definition to this word) because he cant get his donger chopped off at age 15 against his parents' will.  The 15 yo, get ready for it, is not a consenting adult in the U.S.   If they wanna let children under the age if 18 make adult decisions, then let them go back to work in the coal mines as well.   Quit telling the children what to do.  Who are you, their parents?   Lol

Edited June 3, 2023 by Biff_T

[uhhello]

2 hours ago, Danger41 said:

At the risk of getting lumped into the “gay porn on the computer” parlay, I think the Pride movement has gone completely off the rails. There’s a massive difference between Harvey Milk fighting proposition 6 that stated mandatory firing of gay teachers and where the movement is now. Hell, the NYC pride parade had 3 trans and a lesbian as the marshals in 2022. Yes, gay pride now means gay isn’t enough. Wtf.
 

And watch the video below from Liberal champion Bill Maher about LGBT issues that I think sums up the majority of peoples feelings on this issue. 

 So not in all instances, but yes I think homosexuality/gender dysmorphia/etc is a choice. 
 

Before I get a bunch of rainbow colored grenades and Zima Molotov cocktails thrown at me, I 100% acknowledge that societal pressures in the past kept those numbers down and still affect many today. 

Off the rails indeed and the LGB folks are distancing themselves.  It's going to correct just like the trans in sports will.  

[bfargin]

Sure a lot of people smoking each others poles throwing out “faggot” at me like it’s an insult. I thought you were telling me it’s normal and good. So am i supposed to be insulted or proud to be labeled a bone smuggler. Make up your mind

[ClearedHot]

7 hours ago, nsplayr said:

This to me is why we still need pride month. The vocal dead-enders who are still virulently and actively anti-gay rights, let alone tolerant, accepting, etc.

I'll disagree with you here as a justification for these events. LGTBQ/Pride month will not change the heart of a biased person.  And, more often than not in the military it turns into a forced event that ends up with a negative connotation.  Perhaps I have scar tissue but reflecting back on 26 years of these types of forced events I can't think of a single one that made me walk away with an "ah ha" moment. 

7 hours ago, bfargin said:

Homos are 18Xs more likely to be pedos. The three predilections I lumped together, all deny reality and the design of humanity. To engage in any of that behavior is bad for the individual, the culture, and society as a whole. I know when it’s personal it’s more difficult to see the truth but that doesn’t change the facts.

18X...hardly, you are mixing and matching numerous studies and when you peel them back they are full of bias and flawed logic...It is a sad fact that the vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual white men...many have kids of their own.   When you actually read these studies they provide no scientific evidence of anything you are claiming.  Most of them use opinion and conjecture, usually published on religious sites or religious advocacy group sites with a preface saving homosexuality is a deviant behavior.  As a Christian I am always shocked the religious groups which as a foundation teach love and tolerance are so concerned and butthurt about what other people do in the privacy of their own home. 

7 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Anyways, I digress…it sounds like you’ve never had a gay best friend or a gay kid. I have both.

Too bad, the experience might change your hard heart to one able to understand that homosexuality has always been a part of the human condition and it’s not gonna go away if you hate it extra loudly. You’re just going to hurt people who deserve to be loved and accepted just the same as you or me.

This right here. 

Flashing back to high school there was a guy that was obviously gay but the environment of the period I grew up in was far less accepting than today.  Looking back on it now he was extremely bitter and no one really wanted to hang out with him, not because we knew he was gay but because he was always so angry.  I was in AP English and was placed in a small group of four students with him to work several projects.  In that small group he let his guard down and was a completely different person.  By that time (10th grade), he had read and re-read all the classics, with ease he could pull the threads of those books to the ancient philosophers and the bible.  He had an incredible mind, truly the guy was brilliant but he hid it under this facade of anger that must have been his defense mechanism.  I didn't interact with him much after that class, we rode the same bus and on several occasions I tried to be social and say hello but he was back in his shell and mostly ignored me.  At my 20 year reunion I learned he committed suicide (RIP Gary), and I couldn't help but think how difficult high school was for him and just how cruel other kids can be.

As a heterosexual I am attracted to women, I can't comprehend being attracted to another man...but that doesn't make homosexuality wrong.  I have worked and flown with numerous gay people...guess what...so have ALL you...and they were all most likely great Americans serving their country.  Over the course of my career I also saw four egregious cases of pedophilia...and ALL were straight white men who were chasing young girls...one of them his own daughter. 

Like the forced celebration events, nothing we say here is going to change Bfargin's heart...so be it, we are free country and you are entitled to your opinion, but all that hate is going to eat you up and life is way to short to hate someone else just because of who they love.

 

[bfargin]

I’ll take the hit on being harsh (even mean at times) against the cause. At the risk of being too defensive, i really don’t hate the individuals, I hate the movement and the championing of destructive behavior. And contrary to some observations i have personally seen close lifelong friends hurt by it, which makes it hurt even more.

As for research (back when i did some - 20 plus years ago) it was social science so psychology and sociology. So yeah self reporting, survey type with tons of variance that can’t be fully explained or dismissed easily. But even anthropology and medical research shows that sexual activity outside of monogamous heterosexual relationships have negative implications for those who engage. 
 

i stand by my observation that 30 plus years of championing abnormal sexual activity has had seriously negative consequences psychologically for our society.

[Mark1]

1 hour ago, bfargin said:

I’ll take the hit on being harsh (even mean at times) against the cause. At the risk of being too defensive, i really don’t hate the individuals, I hate the movement and the championing of destructive behavior. And contrary to some observations i have personally seen close lifelong friends hurt by it, which makes it hurt even more.

As for research (back when i did some - 20 plus years ago) it was social science so psychology and sociology. So yeah self reporting, survey type with tons of variance that can’t be fully explained or dismissed easily. But even anthropology and medical research shows that sexual activity outside of monogamous heterosexual relationships have negative implications for those who engage. 
 

i stand by my observation that 30 plus years of championing abnormal sexual activity has had seriously negative consequences psychologically for our society.

If you're going to own it, just own it.  We all know the basis of your opinion and it's nothing to do with rigorous scientific inquiry.  You're so proud to be the stalwart holding the line against perversion, but you're ashamed to admit it comes from your religious indoc?  Doesn't square.

A cursory look at evolutionary biology makes it impossible to deny that minority homosexuality is as normal as it gets, with good reason, but you probably don't dip into the evolutionary sciences much.

I don't want anybody's sexuality thrown in my face unsolicited, straight or otherwise.  The militant (vocal minority) members of the 'movement' have gone crazy with it after tasting some success and that needs to be reigned in, but let's not pretend that going back to assuming George Michael was crushing pussy is the answer.