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  On 1/2/2024 at 2:04 AM, SocialD said:

 

WTF is with all the command directed Q3s?  I've gathered that the heavies seem to use them as punishment, but I know we didn't have a single one in my career at my squadron.  A keg/equivalent booze and stand up in front of the squadron to brief the fuck up.  Why put so many black marks on your people, when there are better ways to get your point across?  I feel for these dudes who have to explain a Q3 in an interview when they can't say that their boss was the lead rower in the douche canoe.  

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Pressure from your OG/CC, sometimes even Wing/CC. The BPZ types were the most notorious for dishing out Q3s…got to hold the line and can’t take any risks on your way up. Caveat: AMC only, can’t speak to other communities. 

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So the draft outline for the script for Top Gun 2 has leaked (probably Trump and/or Russians.  Same thing, right?):     "TOP GUN 2:  This Time It's Non-Gender Specific"   Having be

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  On 1/1/2024 at 7:47 PM, Boomer6 said:

Idk if it’s funnier if he was named CAT-5 before or after he knocked down all of those trees 🤔

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Having personally talked to a few folks that were on said CV-22 when it happened, they are lucky to be alive, one thought for sure they were going to roll over into the trees.

Yes he was Q-3'd but Daddy Slife stepped in and assured Fiel, "I can fix him."

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  On 1/2/2024 at 12:55 AM, Danger41 said:

That’s how I remembered it as well. He then said something how everyone needs a Q3 for some reason since he’d given out dozens.

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As the CC or DO, you (CAT 5) should be taking a long hard look in the mirror at your own leadership style if you feel like you need to hand out dozens of Q3s in your own damn squadron.  I can’t imagine looking at my section and seeing a single Q3 let alone dozens. 

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  On 1/2/2024 at 4:05 AM, HuggyU2 said:

Make sure you say "SAC Warriors" with some respect. 

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Yes sir!

They were still wearing little SAC (sts) patches under the AMC badge..One thing about flying with all those old SAC dudes, is I knew how to make my 69 pounds of paper pubs flawless.  They really liked looking at those write in changes.  They also made sure I knew my shit.. I think the MAC dudes that are still left in AMC are wanna be SAC and they give out Q3s for personal reasons and not because your pubs or you suck as an aviator.

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  On 1/2/2024 at 1:45 AM, DirkDiggler said:

Isn’t a call sign, it’s a nickname coined by some guys in the 15th when he was the DO & CC.  Came from his habit of rolling into offices in the unit, completely upending/wrecking everything and leaving nothing but destruction in his wake.  See Danger’s above comment as an example, when he was a Sq/CC he gave out 34 commander directed Q3s.

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Quick thread off-ramp:

SAC gave us a patch to wear on our jackets. When the staffing was done, it was given to Gen Chain for final approval. 
He ticked a checkmark on the drawing to signify he approved it. His staff saw the check and figured it was something he wanted added... and so they did. He had a reputation for being pretty gruff and supposedly none of his staff wanted to ask him about it. 
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I’ve always hated the weaponized Q3 thing but the one I really don’t get is the Q3/Q1 or whatever it’s called. I’d never heard of it until I went to AIS and a bunch of AMC guys had horror stories of busting a level off by 100’ and immediately correcting or other minor things and getting Q-3 then immediately Q1 with no further action. Total lunacy.

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  On 1/2/2024 at 10:49 PM, Danger41 said:

...Q3/Q1.

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I've heard of a valid Q3/1. Early OEF with sorties going around the clock a crew over torqued all four engines. DECTO 3/1'd the pilots and FE so the story goes to alleviate requal requirements while deployed. I agree, missing a level off by <100' and getting a 3/1 is asinine...monetary deviations and all. Even getting a Q2, or a line item downgrade for that is a bit much for a one time occurrence not on an IAP. 

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  On 1/2/2024 at 2:04 AM, SocialD said:

 

WTF is with all the command directed Q3s?  I've gathered that the heavies seem to use them as punishment, but I know we didn't have a single one in my career at my squadron.  A keg/equivalent booze and stand up in front of the squadron to brief the up.  Why put so many black marks on your people, when there are better ways to get your point across?  I feel for these dudes who have to explain a Q3 in an interview when they can't say that their boss was the lead rower in the douche canoe.  

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There's a saying in AFSOC in regards to Q3s "those who have and those who will."  A Q3 doesn't tarnish your community rep like I would imagine it would in those where they are far more sparse; it just makes life more difficult as a whole to leave/fly outside of AFSOC (TPS, white jets, etc.)....unsure if that's a bug or a feature.....

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  On 1/3/2024 at 6:37 PM, Bigred said:

Well, if that’s what happened your unicorn dildo must’ve worked. 

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😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆.  .....😉

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  On 1/3/2024 at 8:10 PM, brabus said:

I thought DAL was my retirement job, but maybe there’s more $ to be made in eco-friendly dildos. @Biff_T and I are going to be rich!

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Admittedly, I retired in 2011 but WTF is up with the Q3 thing? A Q3 was unheard of in the fighter community.  Did your CCs just hate themselves and their fellow aviators?

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  On 1/3/2024 at 5:39 PM, timberlin said:

There's a saying in AFSOC in regards to Q3s "those who have and those who will."  A Q3 doesn't tarnish your community rep like I would imagine it would in those where they are far more sparse; it just makes life more difficult as a whole to leave/fly outside of AFSOC (TPS, white jets, etc.)....unsure if that's a bug or a feature.....

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You gotta be an MC dude…

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  On 1/4/2024 at 2:37 PM, TreeA10 said:

Admittedly, I retired in 2011 but WTF is up with the Q3 thing? A Q3 was unheard of in the fighter community.  Did your CCs just hate themselves and their fellow aviators?

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It's an AMC thing.   

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  On 1/3/2024 at 5:39 PM, timberlin said:

There's a saying in AFSOC in regards to Q3s "those who have and those who will."  A Q3 doesn't tarnish your community rep like I would imagine it would in those where they are far more sparse; it just makes life more difficult as a whole to leave/fly outside of AFSOC (TPS, white jets, etc.)....unsure if that's a bug or a feature.....

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Yea, that's not an AFSOC thing. 

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  On 1/3/2024 at 5:39 PM, timberlin said:

There's a saying in AFSOC… "those who have and those who will."

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Is that applicable to naked gunner hugs? I’ve only heard about it. Maybe an expert in that kind of thing (*cough* @ClearedHot *cough*) can provide fill-ins.

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  On 1/4/2024 at 5:34 PM, brabus said:

Is that applicable to naked gunner hugs? I’ve only heard about it. Maybe an expert in that kind of thing (*cough* @ClearedHot *cough*) can provide fill-ins.

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Naked gunner hugs are a sole product of the MH-53 Pavelow community.  I believe it started in Korea when AFSOC used to keep a detachment of Pavelows in theater.  In my many years on the gunpig I never saw said maneuver attempted by a gunship guy or girl.

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In a spirit of innovation and pathfinding, the next iteration of the gunner hug Ive been subject to is the ‘glow worm’. It involves a finger light and you can guess the rest…

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