HeloDude Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 I’m old enough to remember when the standard was a “standard”. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 38 minutes ago, HeloDude said: I’m old enough to remember when the standard was a “standard”. It's a never ending cycle of 'I remember when' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 hour ago, uhhello said: It's a never ending cycle of 'I remember when' Yeah, but you would think holding people to the same standard, I don’t know, meant that we were “uniform” or something. Oh well—I’m the old guy who is retired now. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer6 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 (edited) Toxic Leadership according to a 0.69" Google search, "a combination of self-centered attitudes, motivations, and behaviors that have adverse effects on subordinates, the organization, and mission performance." The self-centered approach to leadership is what I've seen from the majority of senior leaders I've worked for, not to mention countless stories from the bros. I'm not saying it is done with malicious intent, but that hardly matters. The desire to climb the ladder in coupled with the standard knee jerk reaction to prove to the boss that, "we're doing something" has bred this into the bobs. It's almost like they teach this at ACSC. Working for a boss that gives a shit and you can trust implicitly is something I've experienced once. Edited June 27 by Boomer6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 3 hours ago, HeloDude said: Yeah, but you would think holding people to the same standard, I don’t know, meant that we were “uniform” or something. Oh well—I’m the old guy who is retired now. I get it. Also the old guy. I find myself with the same thoughts but then I think, all generations say the same thing. Shits crazy now in my eyes but I'm positive all generations have said the same thing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 9 hours ago, HeloDude said: Yeah, but you would think holding people to the same standard, I don’t know, meant that we were “uniform” or something. Oh well—I’m the old guy who is retired now. What standard is that, AFR 35-10? You could probably get a copy of that on your way to the cash cage in CBPO! 🤣 6 hours ago, uhhello said: I get it. Also the old guy. I find myself with the same thoughts but then I think, all generations say the same thing. Shits crazy now in my eyes but I'm positive all generations have said the same thing. It's been said by every generation ever. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuggyU2 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 2 hours ago, SocialD said: ...AFR 35-10? ...cash cage in CBPO! Nice retro hour!! You might actually remember when the phone number to CBPO at most bases was x2276. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herkbum Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Nice retro hour!! You might actually remember when the phone number to CBPO at most bases was x2276. Was that the AUTOVON number?Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 When base operators were a thing 1110Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntledemployee Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Or the base had a phone number that when dialed gave you a dial tone to make a local call. Overseas DSN to home for free. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff_T Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 On 6/27/2024 at 9:28 AM, Skitzo said: When base operators were a thing 1110 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk My first few deployments I didn't have email. DSN 1110...."I'd like to make an off base call". People were also waiting in line to use the phones. Felt like a prison scene. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoker Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 On 6/25/2024 at 1:19 AM, O Face said: Well the Germans sure thought he was a brilliant leader, so there’s that. And I’m pretty sure smacking a couple dudes was absolutely not his “sole idea for motivating his men” as one of his speeches was literally turned into one of the most famous movie monologues of all time. Go visit Bastogne sometime, all the shops in town with paintings and statues of Patton seem to have been pretty inspired too. As for not understanding the people he led, his final wish was to be buried next to them in Luxembourg…Yeah, what an asshole. Given how awfully the Germans were at anything approaching strategic thinking, that isn't the compliment you think it is. I admit he had a great PR campaign, he definitely looked and acted like people thought a general should. MacArthur falls into this same category. Patton was just lucky compared to MacArthur in that he didn't have the opportunity to get publicly trounced (twice!) because his enemies actually had the ability to take the initiative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoker Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 (edited) On 6/25/2024 at 11:29 AM, Smokin said: I'd rather be led by a dude that slaps a guy for not fighting than led by a dude that thinks some lint on your uniform is indicative of your military ability. Patton was both those guys. We was fining troops in foxholes under active observation for not being clean shaven or not wearing a necktie. He had utter contempt for the citizen soldiers he was leading. If someone whose been wearing the uniform for 35 years can't understand why someone who was a baker's apprentice ten months before isn't as good at soldiering as he is, he isn't a good leader of Americans. Edited June 29 by Stoker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 My first few deployments I didn't have email. DSN 1110...."I'd like to make an off base call". People were also waiting in line to use the phones. Felt like a prison scene. Same also you got the hook after 15 mins IIRC. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Face Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stoker said: Given how awfully the Germans were at anything approaching strategic thinking, that isn't the compliment you think it is. I admit he had a great PR campaign, he definitely looked and acted like people thought a general should. MacArthur falls into this same category. Patton was just lucky compared to MacArthur in that he didn't have the opportunity to get publicly trounced (twice!) because his enemies actually had the ability to take the initiative. When your enemy is afraid of you, it is exactly the compliment I think it is. Please tell me more about what the cool, edgy, new professor at the zoo thought about the subject though. Edited June 29 by O Face 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herkbum Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 My first few deployments I didn't have email. DSN 1110...."I'd like to make an off base call". People were also waiting in line to use the phones. Felt like a prison scene. Am I remembering incorrectly, did AUTOVON precede DSN?Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhhello Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 5 hours ago, Skitzo said: Same also you got the hook after 15 mins IIRC. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The dreaded beep warnings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O Face Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 (edited) 48 minutes ago, uhhello said: The dreaded beep warnings If you got the timing right, it was kinda like nailing a game winning shot at the buzzer during phone sex though. Edited June 30 by O Face . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff_T Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 (edited) 5 hours ago, herkbum said: Am I remembering incorrectly, did AUTOVON precede DSN? Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app I never used or even heard of AUTOVON. You old playa! Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autovon#:~:text=AUTOVON used a numbering scheme,AUTOVON calls with operator assistance. Quick, somebody get General LeMay on the line. We need to launch the Hustlers! Edited June 30 by Biff_T Research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Back to what’s wrong in the AF: current ACC commander, if I’m not mistaken he’s the same cat back in 2013 when he was the 9th AETF commander in Afghanistan where he was complaining that the squadron’s floors were too dusty (in Kandahar, where poop and dust flies). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xaarman Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 I was at CENTCOM HQ when he was the DO, in a position so low that he didn’t know I existed… but he seemed to make a lot of sense then. I am surprised that he is going through with these motions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 6 hours ago, dream big said: Afghanistan where he was complaining that the squadron’s floors were too dusty Barely any dust in AFG, no excuses for not having sparkling floors! How can I trust you to fight a war if you can’t keep your floors immaculate?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 On 6/27/2024 at 6:59 AM, HuggyU2 said: Nice retro hour!! You might actually remember when the phone number to CBPO at most bases was x2276. More nostalgic phone numbers: 762-1401 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff_T Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 8 hours ago, dream big said: Back to what’s wrong in the AF: current ACC commander, if I’m not mistaken he’s the same cat back in 2013 when he was the 9th AETF commander in Afghanistan where he was complaining that the squadron’s floors were too dusty (in Kandahar, where poop and dust flies). 1 hour ago, brabus said: Barely any dust in AFG, no excuses for not having sparkling floors! How can I trust you to fight a war if you can’t keep your floors immaculate?! 😆 Dude, when a person said "How can I trust you to.....if you can't...?" I knew that they were a non combatant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfargin Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 4 hours ago, Magnum said: More nostalgic phone numbers: 762-1401 Nice one. It was usually the Nav who called for it on most SAC crews when I was at Pburgh. I'd call sometimes if the Nav needed an assist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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