Biff_T Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 16 hours ago, dream big said: And if your boss is into dudes? You'll get a sq full of flawless gig lines! Nothing makes an airman fly better than perfect uniforms backed up by endless quarterly meat gazzing parties. As a former Evaluator, I used to line up the crew (crews for formation) outside of the briefing room to take a good look at their crotches. Some of the best aviators I knew had perfect gig lines. Perfectly lined up shirts, belts and pants equaled an instant EQ! No need to fly. I knew they were good. Edit: The one piece flight suit made gig lines pretty easy to evaluate. I hooked a guy once because he had a mangina zipper. The two piece flight suit was more fun, you could really get into the nooks and crannies. I only allowed them to put on their body armor once the lines were properly gigged. The gig line check should be incorporated into the before landing checklist AF wide. The last step. Gig Line.................."Checked" Before landing checklist...... "Completed" Even you fighter guys need to be checking your gigs before landing. Flight leads are responsible for the lines for the formation. Also, we will add the gig check as a step into your ingress and egress checklists. This should stop the accidents and increase lethality. Edited February 7 by Biff_T Afterthought 4 1
jonlbs Posted February 7 Posted February 7 I’m surprised this dude hasn’t been fired yet. His ethos seems opposite of what SECDEF and co are looking for? probably just isnt on their radar yet? Hegseth - “He, like me, wants a Pentagon laser-focused on lethality, meritocracy, warfighting, accountability and readiness.”
snoopyeast Posted February 7 Posted February 7 I just had flashbacks to The Rat flipping his lid over untucked zipper pull tabs at the Deid. 1
SurelySerious Posted February 7 Posted February 7 I’m surprised this dude hasn’t been fired yet. His ethos seems opposite of what SECDEF and co are looking for? probably just isnt on their radar yet? Hegseth - “He, like me, wants a Pentagon laser-focused on lethality, meritocracy, warfighting, accountability and readiness.” What if he’s falling on his uniform obsession sword to get fired?
Biff_T Posted February 7 Posted February 7 12 minutes ago, SurelySerious said: What if he’s falling on his uniform obsession sword to get fired? Only if he has a hand ball gig (not gig line) lined up for after retirement. I have heard that he has the best hand ball maneuvering capabilities since Nam. Got to get those golden hands on to some balls!
ClearedHot Posted February 7 Posted February 7 24 minutes ago, SurelySerious said: What if he’s falling on his uniform obsession sword to get fired? Nah...these guys are poltical animals....he has shaped a narrative to SECAF and SECDEF..."Sir we are returning to warfighter standards in order to increase lethality." Trust me, I've seen these clowns in action. It will take an organic revolt to get words to Pete to see what is really going on. 1
17D_guy Posted February 7 Posted February 7 2 hours ago, Biff_T said: Only if he has a hand ball gig (not gig line) lined up for after retirement. I have heard that he has the best hand ball maneuvering capabilities since Nam. Got to get those golden hands on to some balls! I knew where this would end up and still loved the journey and destination. 1
Bumpass Ball Posted February 7 Posted February 7 5 hours ago, jonlbs said: His ethos seems opposite of what SECDEF and co are looking for? Hardly, It's coming from the top. 1
nsplayr Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 5 hours ago, ClearedHot said: It will take an organic revolt to get words to Pete to see what is really going on. I don’t think Pete is going to be an ally in quashing this stuff, see above. Broken windows theory and all. (sic) “If you can’t line up your gig line how can you line up on the ILS?” 🙄 Edited February 7 by nsplayr 1
Lord Ratner Posted February 8 Posted February 8 The problem has never been adhering to the grooming standards. The problem was the standards themselves. Beards can have standards. Mustaches too, without looking like a butthole brush. There are more ways to look professional than a high and tight. Set the rules to a reasonable level, then enforce. 5
Biff_T Posted February 8 Posted February 8 (edited) 4 hours ago, nsplayr said: If you can’t line up your gig line how can you line up on the ILS?” 🙄 This. On one checkride, I observed a Pilot blow through the ILS on base to final. He had no idea how this could have happened. So I intervened, to let him know that he forgot to check that he had the right course dialed in and that this was a direct result of the the Pilot neglecting to check his gig on the downwind. This created an electric phenomenon, causing the aircraft's ILS to malfunction. It was a shame, the dude was a good Pilot, but I had to teach him a lesson. Unfortunately for him, he did this during a checkride so my hands were tied. The only man I ever saw cry during a debrief. The last that I heard, he transitioned to be a woman Pilot flying rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong. Edited February 8 by Biff_T Afterthought 3 1 1 1
Biff_T Posted February 8 Posted February 8 6 hours ago, 17D_guy said: I knew where this would end up and still loved the journey and destination. Lol
Boomer6 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 30 minutes ago, Biff_T said: This. On one checkride, I observed a Pilot blow through the ILS on base to final. He had no idea how this could have happened. So I intervened, to let him know that he forgot to check that he had the right course dialed in and that this was a direct result of the the Pilot neglecting to check his gig on the downwind. This created an electric phenomenon, causing the aircraft's ILS to malfunction. It was a shame, the dude was a good Pilot, but I had to teach him a lesson. Unfortunately for him, he did this during a checkride so my hands were tied. The only man I ever saw cry during a debrief. The last that I heard, he transitioned to be a woman Pilot flying rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong. This is a good start to your biography Biff. 3 1 1
General Chang Posted February 8 Posted February 8 Most people here are ridiculous. Airmen weren’t even aware the gig line was no longer a thing. Or hair touching the ears. This is just adjusting the books to the culture that always was, nothing more. Secretary Hegseth is spot-on: unity is the message, and that is crystal clear throughout Air Force formations. Agree or disagree, we are moving forward with the right focus and message. 1 1 1
HuggyU2 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 20 hours ago, snoopyeast said: I just had flashbacks to The Rat flipping his lid over untucked zipper pull tabs at the Deid. It takes that sort of attention to detail to ensure Boeing's commercial sales are humming right along. https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-rhatigan-1814b622 1
ClearedHot Posted February 8 Posted February 8 1 hour ago, General Chang said: Agree or disagree, we are moving forward with the right focus and message. "At the close of 2024 fighter pilot retention rates have hit historic lows, with some airframes reporting bonus take rates as low as 29%." Keep moving forward with that message, it seems to be resonating with the force. Soon you won't have any pilots to screw over. 1
Biff_T Posted February 8 Posted February 8 3 hours ago, General Chang said: Most people here are ridiculous. Airmen weren’t even aware the gig line was no longer a thing. Or hair touching the ears. This is just adjusting the books to the culture that always was, nothing more. Secretary Hegseth is spot-on: unity is the message, and that is crystal clear throughout Air Force formations. Agree or disagree, we are moving forward with the right focus and message. Weren't you on the 86 USAFA hand ball team with uncle Allvin? 1
cragspider Posted February 8 Posted February 8 7 hours ago, General Chang said: Most people here are ridiculous. Airmen weren’t even aware the gig line was no longer a thing. Or hair touching the ears. This is just adjusting the books to the culture that always was, nothing more. Secretary Hegseth is spot-on: unity is the message, and that is crystal clear throughout Air Force formations. Agree or disagree, we are moving forward with the right focus and message. Chang, Hate to tell you, but the reason Airmen aren’t aware of these things, is the fact people aren’t hold them accountable and won’t correct someone on the sport for things that shouldn’t be a issue. The last time I saw people on my bad water boys outside of a court was a wing CoC and that was comical, cause most probably haven’t worn blues since basic. It’s not a thing most operators and out maintenance folks will ever wear due to our jobs. the rest of this is just a drastic over correction to what shouldn’t be done. We’ve seen this before and will see it again. But this will have an impact in what people will do. The right message is our strength is our unity. Anything else is a waste of time and energy that will not make us more lethal. We have bigger problems your kind has allowed to happen and you are just pulling back harder on the death spin.
nsplayr Posted February 8 Posted February 8 (edited) 9 hours ago, General Chang said: Agree or disagree, we are moving forward with the right focus and message. “Agree or disagree, my opinion is right!” Truly spoken like a General…too bad you’re a keyboard rando. Go with quals lol. My assertion is CSAF’s message is *not* the right one. And you know I’m not a flag officer because most of those cockgobblers would never say such a thing; it’s usually a hinderance to future promotion. Hopefully some of the good ones do so behind closed doors at least… We should be focused on retention and growing the force, growing our magazine and the number of platforms / capabilities we can bring to bear at critical junctures, and in realistic & frequent training so when the SHTF against a near-peer we don’t f*cking lose on Day 1. ANYTHING not directly and violently aligned with the above is a waste of limited attention/focus/resources. Advocating for “strict adherence to standards and guidance” is just an excuse to seem like a big, strong “strict dad” type while we blissfully whistle past the graveyard on the shit that actually matters. The last thing I wanna see is an amazingly crisp, straight gig line on an airman’s service dress uniform as we load him into a box and bury him six feet under. Edited February 8 by nsplayr 1
BashiChuni Posted February 8 Posted February 8 9 hours ago, General Chang said: Most people here are ridiculous. Airmen weren’t even aware the gig line was no longer a thing. Or hair touching the ears. This is just adjusting the books to the culture that always was, nothing more. Secretary Hegseth is spot-on: unity is the message, and that is crystal clear throughout Air Force formations. Agree or disagree, we are moving forward with the right focus and message. this 1
Standby Posted February 9 Posted February 9 My theory….the crack down on hair and nails is more related to transgender stuff than readiness and standards. If the CIC is barring trans folks from serving and puts biological sex back into the SURF, it’s an effort to essentially force compliance with directives. If you’re born a male but decided to start trying to grow a vag…time to chop the hair and fix the nails or get that boot. Or maybe I should just put my tinfoil hat back on.
Lord Ratner Posted February 9 Posted February 9 5 hours ago, BashiChuni said: this Didn't get enough of a response to your other account? 1 1 3 2
Boomer6 Posted February 9 Posted February 9 56 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said: Didn't get enough of a response to your other account? Yeah, I'm curious how many alt accounts/trolling it takes to have some action taken..
uhhello Posted February 9 Posted February 9 40 minutes ago, Boomer6 said: Yeah, I'm curious how many alt accounts/trolling it takes to have some action taken.. I'm not sure why anyone responds
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