What's wrong with the Air Force?

[Day Man]

A folder labelled "Jail Bait" is a little damning to your defense...

[Boomer6]

On 1/29/2017 at 0:28 AM, ThreeHoler said:

 

Is this just fantasy?

Yes. You're not allowed to roll your sleeves up because it's "not in the AFI" per a certain inspection team at a certain UPT base...

[MechGov]

Yes. You're not allowed to roll your sleeves up because it's "not in the AFI" per a certain inspection team at a certain UPT base...

Maxwell?


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[fire4effect]

On ‎2‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 0:11 AM, MooseAg03 said:

Yeah, ordering everything I need from Vanguard is costing $50+. Clothing sales didn't have shoulder boards or metal rank. But you sure can find everything you need if you're an 0-6.


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You reminded me of a similar situation at one of the small exchanges in Baghdad back in the day. It seemed for the longest time you could find a few lower enlisted rank insignia, O-5 and O-6 rank insignia and I swear I'm not making this up but at least six 4 Star General Officer rank insignias. Those same six sat on the shelf for weeks. I think General Petraeus was the only 4 Star in theater at that time. To this day I regret not buying one as a souvenir as an unbeatable reminder of the sheer buffoonery

Edited April 6, 2017 by fire4effect
clarity

[Cameronjake7]

This is my first post so I guess I'll introduce myself as well. I am an A1C at Minot, with almost 2 years in service, I came to this website to learn about becoming a pilot and the Academy but stumbled upon this forum. I know I don't have near the years or experience that everyone here has but my concerns are just as sincere as the rest. I joined because I truly care about the Air Force. I couldn't wait to leave for basic.. But that's where it all started. I am sure the elders would laugh at what Basic has become. Tech school was a bunch of disrespectful new Airmen showing off in their uniforms. We had one Airman tell a Chief, a CHIEF, to screw off when he asked for his shaving waiver. A good bit of the first term Airman I know can't wait for their contracts to end or are claiming "depression" so they can get out. I just don't understand, is this how it has always been? Is it possible for me to make an actual change? I just honestly care and figured I could ask the guys who have been around for a while.

[HU&W]

4 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

Yes. You're not allowed to roll your sleeves up because it's "not in the AFI" per a certain inspection team at a certain UPT base...

If only AFI 36-2903 was written to be in compliance with AFI 33-360, 1.9.3.2.1 and table 1.1, there wouldn't be so much confusion as to who can waive the requirement to keep sleeves down.  If, for example, "Non-compliance puts Airmen, commanders, or the USAF strongly at risk of mission or program failure, death, injury, legal jeopardy or fraud, waste or abuse."  The the AFI's approving official would have to be consulted.  If not, it could easily be waived by MAJCOM/CC or even Wing/CC.  Certainly, a GO at HAF should have the necessary authorities.

[Day Man]

17 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

Yes. You're not allowed to roll your sleeves up because it's "not in the AFI" per a certain inspection team at a certain UPT base...

 

17 hours ago, MechGov said:

Maxwell?


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[MechGov]

Ah, disregard for reading comprehension. My bad.

The shoes at Maxwell really got their panties in a wad over 36-2903 because they had a UCI. Too the point of bringing MTIs to high traffic areas of the base to police for such egregious offenses as not having flight suit pockets zipped after you took your cover out of your leg.

They also had a penchant for making up asinine uniform policy just to make -2903 more restrictive.


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[jazzdude]

The shoes at Maxwell really got their panties in a wad over 36-2903 because they had a UCI. Too the point of bringing MTIs to high traffic areas of the base to police for such egregious offenses as not having flight suit pockets zipped after you took your cover out of your leg.

They also had a penchant for making up asinine uniform policy just to make -2903 more restrictive.

They were doing this when I was there for SOS. Solution? Buy a second hat...(ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer)

Some non flyers in my class were happy to call out flightsuit wearers on the leg pocket not being zipped. They weren't so happy when they got called out by the staff for not having their ABU cargo pockets buttoned. "But it's where I store my cover, and buttoning it makes it hard to get my cover out." Ironic.

[nsplayr]

15 hours ago, jazzdude said:

Solution? Buy a second hat...(ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer)

Edited April 8, 2017 by nsplayr

[dream big]

13 hours ago, MechGov said:

Ah, disregard for reading comprehension. My bad.

The shoes at Maxwell really got their panties in a wad over 36-2903 because they had a UCI. Too the point of bringing MTIs to high traffic areas of the base to police for such egregious offenses as not having flight suit pockets zipped after you took your cover out of your leg.

They also had a penchant for making up asinine uniform policy just to make -2903 more restrictive.


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We paid MTIs to come TDY to bark at people about their zippers? That's it, I'm done.

[Trogdor]

13 hours ago, MechGov said:

Ah, disregard for reading comprehension. My bad.

The shoes at Maxwell really got their panties in a wad over 36-2903 because they had a UCI. Too the point of bringing MTIs to high traffic areas of the base to police for such egregious offenses as not having flight suit pockets zipped after you took your cover out of your leg.

They also had a penchant for making up asinine uniform policy just to make -2903 more restrictive.


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Reminds me of my SOS experience when they had some inspection going on.... I was walking out of the BX after lunch with my drink (sipping from the straw), halfway to my car I hear this "captain...captain... CAPTIAN... CAPTIAN."  It was about the 5th or 6th iteration that I realize, "captain" meant me.  This sends me into flashbacks of my freshman year where I am ready to get thoroughly screamed at by some upperclassman screaming "4 degree."  As I turn around, I am surprised to see this TSgt in a nice gallop from halfway across the parking lot, only to say "sir, you are not supposed to drink that drink while you are walking....it's against the regs and we have this inspection and all."  Due to the surprised look I gave him as he came up, I think I could see the embarrassment in his face as he realized what he was doing, so I just said "Ok, thanks".  I sometimes still regret not having a more clever retort to this menial correction in the middle of my day. 

I think, more than anything, I was just baffled at being addressed like a freshman from the Academy (by a TSgt) when I was a mid-level Captain.  That, with my classmates (good people and only three or so aircrew, but its telling when I had more deployments than all of them combined), made me understand that the priorities of the AF was severely off course and in the wrong direction. 

[matmacwc]

Well this is quickly merging into the Died forum, where I would just laugh and laugh at the chiefs who tried to chief me.  My name is Captain Blues, my unit is at 1060 W. Addison.

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7 hours ago, Trogdor said:

Reminds me of my SOS experience when they had some inspection going on.... I was walking out of the BX after lunch with my drink (sipping from the straw), halfway to my car I hear this "captain...captain... CAPTIAN... CAPTIAN."  It was about the 5th or 6th iteration that I realize, "captain" meant me.  This sends me into flashbacks of my freshman year where I am ready to get thoroughly screamed at by some upperclassman screaming "4 degree."  As I turn around, I am surprised to see this TSgt in a nice gallop from halfway across the parking lot, only to say "sir, you are not supposed to drink that drink while you are walking....it's against the regs and we have this inspection and all."  Due to the surprised look I gave him as he came up, I think I could see the embarrassment in his face as he realized what he was doing, so I just said "Ok, thanks".  I sometimes still regret not having a more clever retort to this menial correction in the middle of my day. 

I think, more than anything, I was just baffled at being addressed like a freshman from the Academy (by a TSgt) when I was a mid-level Captain.  That, with my classmates (good people and only three or so aircrew, but its telling when I had more deployments than all of them combined), made me understand that the priorities of the AF was severely off course and in the wrong direction. 

Your story made me flashback to the days of the BDUs and ergo testing.

I think I know what caused this to happen. Imagine a person walking around the office in tight ass BDUs with a huge gut hanging out of their top and sipping off a massive Big Gulp from 7 Eleven. Now remove the office environment and replace it with a BX parking lot. 

We can't have an overweight person walking around the BX parking lot with the largest Big Gulp ever made and their BDUs glued to their body. CMSgt: Nobody should be allowed to walk and drink in uniform again.

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Your story made me flashback to the days of the BDUs and ergo testing.
I think I know what caused this to happen. Imagine a person walking around the office in tight ass BDUs with a huge gut hanging out of their top and sipping off a massive Big Gulp from 7 Eleven. Now remove the office environment and replace it with a BX parking lot. 
We can't have an overweight person walking around the BX parking lot with the largest Big Gulp ever made and their BDUs glued to their body. CMSgt: Nobody should be allowed to walk and drink in uniform again.

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1 hour ago, ihtfp06 said:

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Obviously, someone has a beef with me. Pardon me fellow base ops forum members but I'm going to bite, then not feed the troll. "We aren't in elementary school anymore..."grow da fk up."

Edited April 8, 2017 by No2bonus

[MechGov]

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Obviously, someone has a beef with me. Pardon me fellow base ops forum members but I'm going to bite, then not feed the troll. "We aren't in elementary school anymore..."grow da fk up."

I just think it's funny you liked my post.


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[Guest]

Found this gem on TPN.


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[Motofalcon]

JTFC...

[FUSEPLUG]

Read the last line again. Are you seriously going to bitch about curly vs straight apostrophes then click send with a mistake like that in your out-line?

Edited April 12, 2017 by FUSEPLUG

[LookieRookie]

That email has to a joke, especially starting out with some E-9-esque phrase "XXXX Heroes"

 

Edit: If it was Queep Heroes, I'll allow it.

Edited April 12, 2017 by LookieRookie

[ThreeHoler]

WTFO, a squadron level CAG...that is large enough to require a Flt/CC?

, it's time to retire.


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[F16Deuce]

2 hours ago, Motofalcon said:

JTFC...

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[17D_guy]

6 hours ago, LookieRookie said:

That email has to a joke, especially starting out with some E-9-esque phrase "XXXX Heroes"

 

Edit: If it was Queep Heroes, I'll allow it.

I've had to deal with this...it's not a joke.  Had flashbacks just reading about "straight" quotation marks... UGH.