What's wrong with the Air Force?

[herkbum]

Interesting. My unit does not operate like that.

If I show up, I get paid. There's always work to do.

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Also how we operate. You work, we pay.


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[busdriver]

17 hours ago, norskman said:

How long have you been away from the RQS squadron for? Life is significantly different post-OEF....

An actual RQS?  5 years.  I'm old balls, I pre-date the Pedro years.

[VMFA187]

On 6/9/2017 at 7:23 PM, tcf5566 said:

This is so messed up. The dude worked hard and sacrificed over 20 years, and somehow running 3 seconds too slow or doing one or two less push-ups cancels out all of that? This is why the AF deserves what is coming. I'll enjoy watching the disaster from my purple tailed jet. Good riddance.

How much effort does it require to pass a fitness test? Not much.

No officer should ever fail a fitness test.

[BashiChuni]

true. i dont have much respect for those who are healthy and can't pass. doesn't take much work. be better.

[Trogdor]

On ‎6‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 2:32 AM, tac airlifter said:

It took me a bit to digest your post, which I've truncated above, probably because I was imprecise in my original statement.  

To answer the bolded section directly, which applies to my post, I'll say: yes.  I'm going to shit on the guy in the SQ that wants to show up and just fly..... because in MY mission set, you can't be good if you just show up to fly.  TTPs, ours and enemy, change too fast.  Technology changes.  AORs change.  Users change.  If you aren't being assertive about keeping up, you're getting left behind which makes your presence on the crew a liability.  And all the extra study happens on the ground, in the SQ, not while flying.

When a dude says "I just want to fly" if he means 'I just want to do the flying mission' (which requires extra ground work) then let him!  Become an expert, we need it!  However, if he honestly means 'I just want to fly' and has no patience for the non-flight ground duties essential to refining flight skills (he's not showing up for a weekly tactics test or doesn't know the newest software, etc) then he's not the guy I want staying on the line for a career.  And there are lazy pilots masquerading as line dogs, who have lost the hunger to excel, and should be purged from units incompatible with their loss of drive.  Not a lot, but some, and my comments were directed only at them.

as to your opening remark about money, no, it's not about money to me.  I got paid enough as a major and loved being an EP & ADO, I didn't need more money to put in extra hours.  I loved it.  Still do.  Now I hate my life and job and wouldn't continue if they offered me quadruple pay.  But we're all different, and my answer is not indicative of a trend.

I also could of framed the post a little better, but I agree with you.   Believe it or not, my mission set is much the same and flying two instruction flights a week (which is the norm for me and most IP/EP home station) takes up a majority of a 40 hour work week.  I actually love it and am still doing it.  I was within two years and turned down the staff gig... because less/no flying and more non flying paperwork doesn't sound appeasing. 

Although, I think staying in the squadron wouldn't even be enough for me (bonus or no bonus), as most weeks turn into 50-60 hours.  Air Force has to fix that.  When you deploy/TDY someone for half of a year most will be unwilling to deal with 50-60 hour weeks.  Choice is easy... flying in sqdn with long weeks and deployments, staff with no flying but maybe steady/predictable day job, or get out when companies are paying well....

[HuggyU2]

3 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

How much effort does it require to pass a fitness test? Not much.

 

So true.

A few years ago, I did my fitness test one month before I turned 50.  My good friend who is 47 was in my group, plus 7 others.  Of those 7, one was in his 30's and the rest were young Airmen in the 20's.  

I finished first in the 1.5 mile run, followed by my friend about 25" behind me.  The two of us stood by the finish line and yelled "old guys rule!!" to the rest of the runners as they went by.  It was pathetic to watch the ones in their early 20's struggling to make it 6 laps.  They should be in great shape, and certainly good enough to beat a 50 year old Lt Col with an artificial hip.  

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[Lord Ratner]

How much effort does it require to pass a fitness test? Not much.
No officer should ever fail a fitness test.

Please. Pretty sure you've never had to take our PT test.
#CheckYourGruntPrivilege

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[VMFA187]

13 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

Please. Pretty sure you've never had to take our PT test.
#CheckYourGruntPrivilege

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I'm assuming you're being sarcastic which I can appreciate.

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[dream big]

I'm in my early 30s, if you are in somewhat decent shape it's easy to pass.  Getting a 90 (what I shoot for so I don't have to take it in a year) takes some effort due to the run and giving up beer a few weeks before but doable.  I can't run an 8 minute mile and a half anymore and I prefer to focus on lifting weights which is arguably a much better workout then being able to run.  

Airmen in their early 20s have zero excuse to fail it! I find it pathetic that guys have to bring their colleagues to "cheer them on", for f**** sake this is why the marines and army shit on us.

That being said, I think we put way too much focus on the PT test.  As long as guys are passing commanders should focus on other things, like taking care of their people and making sure the mission is getting done.  Morale runs?! I'm not taking part in your flamboyant fun run. 

 

 

[HU&W]

 

[FourFans]

Hey look, the USAF brass is trying to hide their efforts to get rid of the A-10 again.

https://www.dodbuzz.com/2017/06/09/air-force-mulls-cutting-three-a-10-squadrons/?ESRC=airforce-a_170614

Edited June 15, 2017 by FourFans130

[Duck]

Hey look, the USAF brass is trying to hide their efforts to get rid of the A-10 again.
https://www.dodbuzz.com/2017/06/09/air-force-mulls-cutting-three-a-10-squadrons/?ESRC=airforce-a_170614

What's the definition of insanity again?


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[sputnik]

Few years back, was awaiting knee surgery, couldnt run.  Took the bike test.  Did exactly as I was told.  Never broke a sweat.  Failed.  Great test.

[dream big]

Didn't congress tell the Air Force a hard no to the A-10?! Besides the McCain McSally/Arizona bloc of congress is strong. 

[sqwatch]

What's the definition of insanity again?

 

 

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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-therapy/200907/the-definition-insanity-is

 

It's not what you think it is.

 

 

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[Duck]

 
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-therapy/200907/the-definition-insanity-is
 
It's not what you think it is.
 
 
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You must be a real hit at parties...


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[ToyotaMC1]

I know I'm new and can't create a topic thread. Does anyone know where I can send guys through JMPS training or have someone come out and instruct on it?

Secondly, does JMPS come with Falcon View and Winder or do you have to install that separately?

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[MooseAg03]

I'd say upper management fits that definition perfectly, "cannot distinguish fantasy from reality."


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[disgruntledemployee]

How bout this idea?  A flying deployment usually meant some extra coin and tax free.  But hey, we're flying.  A 179 or 365 non-flying, screw that.  So, I propose a 179 pays an extra chunk of change, and a 365 even more so.  It does 2 things, generates volunteers and deletes requirements.  The AF shouldn't want to shell out for 10 dudes handing out towels at the gym and after a few rotes, they'll figure out how to cut down on the extraneous.  Plus, they may start having folks do work that can be done stateside or make rotes much shorter.  So all I'm saying is that if those long deployments are truly worth it, pay up an extra few thou a month.  We already have Es doing deployments to gain tax free on re-up bonuses, so this kind of thing can work.  Hell, they can even put a varying price tag depending on location and level of shit to deal with.  Double a man's salary and someone will go to Asskrakistan for a few.  And get rid of the "179" label.  Make it 180 and give some credit.  Sheesh!

And beer in every location! 

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said:

How bout this idea?  A flying deployment usually meant some extra coin and tax free.  But hey, we're flying.  A 179 or 365 non-flying, screw that.  So, I propose a 179 pays an extra chunk of change, and a 365 even more so.  It does 2 things, generates volunteers and deletes requirements.  The AF shouldn't want to shell out for 10 dudes handing out towels at the gym and after a few rotes, they'll figure out how to cut down on the extraneous.  Plus, they may start having folks do work that can be done stateside or make rotes much shorter.  So all I'm saying is that if those long deployments are truly worth it, pay up an extra few thou a month.  We already have Es doing deployments to gain tax free on re-up bonuses, so this kind of thing can work.  Hell, they can even put a varying price tag depending on location and level of shit to deal with.  Double a man's salary and someone will go to Asskrakistan for a few.  And get rid of the "179" label.  Make it 180 and give some credit.  Sheesh!

And beer in every location! 

There is zero chance they could get Congress to fund this.  Also 179 vs 180 is no longer relevant, they haven't given short tour credit for 180+ in quite some time.

If AF wants to cut down on requirements, CSAF needs to call out the COCOMs on their requirements.  I don't see our current CSAF going to bat on this one.  The next best COA would be to start filling the 11X required billets with non-11Xs.  When the non-rated folks show their ability to build power-point slides just as well as rated, they'll be able to drop the 11X requirement and get rid of the notion that the COCOM's "need" pilots to do their staff work.

[ToyotaMC1]

3 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:

There is zero chance they could get Congress to fund this.  Also 179 vs 180 is no longer relevant, they haven't given short tour credit for 180+ in quite some time.

If AF wants to cut down on requirements, CSAF needs to call out the COCOMs on their requirements.  I don't see our current CSAF going to bat on this one.  The next best COA would be to start filling the 11X required billets with non-11Xs.  When the non-rated folks show their ability to build power-point slides just as well as rated, they'll be able to drop the 11X requirement and get rid of the notion that the COCOM's "need" pilots to do their staff work.

If we cut off the damn supply of Toyota Hiluxs every member of ISIS seems to have in Iraq/Syria, this war would come to a screeching halt. Then no more 179s or 365s boys and girls.

[Weezer]

3 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:

 

If AF wants to cut down on requirements, CSAF needs to call out the COCOMs on their requirements.  I don't see our current CSAF going to bat on this one.  The next best COA would be to start filling the 11X required billets with non-11Xs.  When the non-rated folks show their ability to build power-point slides just as well as rated, they'll be able to drop the 11X requirement and get rid of the notion that the COCOM's "need" pilots to do their staff work.

Even if CSAF does, SecDef can overrule him.

I like your non-rated COA.  I know of plenty of non-rated dudes who want a bigger piece of the operations pie, and some others who are getting too comfy not deploying.

[Guest]

I had heard a story that when Mattis took over at CENTCOM, he was infuriated with staff bloat and vowed to cut the size of the CENTCOM staff, tasking his CoS to handle it.  When he relinquished command, he asked the CoS how successful they had been in accomplishing this goal.  As it turned out, they hadn't been successful at all, and manpower at HQ CENTCOM had swelled during his tenure.

[sqwatch]

I had heard a story that when Mattis took over at CENTCOM, he was infuriated with staff bloat and vowed to cut the size of the CENTCOM staff, tasking his CoS to handle it.  When he relinquished command, he asked the CoS how successful they had been in accomplishing this goal.  As it turned out, they hadn't been successful at all, and manpower at HQ CENTCOM had swelled during his tenure.

I like stories from anonymous sources the best.



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[SurelySerious]

I like stories from anonymous sources the best.



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Bonus if they caveat it with they weren't authorized to speak on the matter.