What's wrong with the Air Force?

[tac airlifter]

55 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

You sound mad and a bit like an ignoramus if I must professionally say so myself. To say helos were ineffective at Bastion during an attack with zero visibility is shortsighted don't you think?

During a TIC not too far from an airbase in Afghanistan, the attack helos helped saved my convoy. Happy? If they weren't at the AB there could have been a lot of injuries or casualties. A troop was shot in that same convoy a week later and I remember the pilot bursting out into tears after landing. So yes, I am going to disagree from experience.

My comment was not directed at the specifics of this conversation but rather your style of communication;  although lecturing an Apache guy about the proper way to employ Apaches is a bold move. 

Your points are frequently hard to understand. Talking less about yourself would perhaps make it easier for others to comprehend what you’re trying to communicate.   It’s free advice, take it or leave it. Cheers. 

[Lawman]

You sound mad and a bit like an ignoramus if I must professionally say so myself. To say helos were ineffective at Bastion during an attack with zero visibility is shortsighted don't you think? During a TIC not too far from an airbase in Afghanistan, the attack helos helped saved my convoy. Happy? If they weren't at the AB there could have been a lot of injuries or casualties. A troop was shot in that same convoy a week later and I remember the pilot bursting out into tears after landing. So yes, I am going to disagree from experience. 

 

Dude not just an Apache guy (though former now), I was overhead at Frontnac  

We were useless.

 

And that was a situation where I didn’t have to spend 8 minutes launching an aircraft while the horde closes in around me chucking grenade and small arms fire at my incredibly vulnerable aircraft.

 

Yes despite the fact making fun of SF is fun, they do in fact have a point. Security is produced and maintained at the lowest level and will be made or broken there. Saying “who needs crew serves and other stuff we’ve got Apaches on the flight line we can launch” is something said by idiots.

 

Either maintain and train a security personnel cadre that is equipped to deal with the real world threat (small team synchronized raid style attack not drunk mom in minivan breaching an ECP) which we could find both in COIN or as an asymmetric use in near peer (NK SF forces on OSAN for example) or just kill the mission entirely and pay the Army or somebody else to do it for you. Otherwise you’ve learned nothing that hasn’t been repeatedly demonstrated since the Rat Patrol first took the legs out from under the Luftwaffe in NA with nothing but a couple Lewis Guns and Jeep’s.

 

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[ImNotARobot]

Ignore trolls. He will eventually go away. Unless we ban him first.

[FUSEPLUG]

52 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

His issue is no different than AMC guys complaining about moving pallets around with the same tires on them.

Hold on... that's a bad thing?! 

[Lawman]

Well lets just roll your huge ego outside the wire if you don't think having attack helos at an airbase is necessary when the base is attacked. See how long you last with suicide bombers coming at you. Probably lock up like a school girl. 
His issue is no different than AMC guys complaining about moving pallets around with the same tires on them.

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[pawnman]

8 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

You sound mad and a bit like an ignoramus if I must professionally say so myself. To say helos were ineffective at Bastion during an attack with zero visibility is shortsighted don't you think?

During a TIC not too far from an airbase in Afghanistan, the attack helos helped save my convoy. Happy? If they weren't at the AB there could have been a lot of injuries or casualties. A troop was shot in that same convoy a week later and I remember the pilot bursting out into tears after landing. So yes, I am going to disagree from experience.

Certainly there's no difference between an attack on a convoy in the open, with an easy way to tell friendlies and enemies apart, and an attack inside the wire of aFOB in close proximity to friendlies, friendly buildings, and friendly aircraft.

Glad you made it out safely... But there's a huge difference in your situation and what happened at Bastion.

[Lawman]

Lol. I love how you have no clue what the hell you are talking about at all. I guess at Bagram where they hammered insurgents attacking the base with an Apache goes against every comment you just made. Shhhhhhhhhh you weren't there.

Neither were you jackass.




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[Lawman]

Someone played one too many Apache Attack PlayStation games on EASY mode.

 

Why are you wasting your time here. You have so much to tell the guys at TCM.

 

Don’t forget your suit...

 

 

 

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[uhhello]

He's not real.  He's not real.  Please don't be real.

[FUSEPLUG]

As an 05 commission, I’ll admit I was intrigued by what this guy had to say for a while.  But now he’s either drinking too much, or a troll. Either way, Chang was way more entertaining. 

[Homestar]

8 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

You sound mad and a bit like an ignoramus if I must professionally say so myself. To say helos were ineffective at Bastion during an attack with zero visibility is shortsighted don't you think?

During a TIC not too far from an airbase in Afghanistan, the attack helos helped save my convoy. Happy? If they weren't at the AB there could have been a lot of injuries or casualties. A troop was shot in that same convoy a week later and I remember the pilot bursting out into tears after landing. So yes, I am going to disagree from experience.

Just shut uuuuuuuuuupppppp

[Toro]

17 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

I will shut up right after your mom zips up my fly. Oh, wait there it is....

Don't worry, I'll have her home at a decent time to make you Top Ramen for dinner my boy.

They teach you that "shut up" coping mechanism on the short bus? Good for you Homestar! Gold star.

HarleyQuinn is in time out.  The adults may continue their conversation.

[YoungnDumb]

20 hours ago, Clark Griswold said:

Worth a read on what troubles the AF:

https://warontherocks.com/2018/11/heed-the-grail-knight-can-the-air-force-choose-wisely/

 

 

Just reposting so the conversation can move along from the previous debauchery.

[pawnman]

38 minutes ago, FUSEPLUG said:

As an 05 commission, I’ll admit I was intrigued by what this guy had to say for a while.  But now he’s either drinking too much, or a troll. Either way, Chang was way more entertaining. 

Agreed.  He had some interesting tidbits in the PRF conversation, but he's sure an idiot when it comes to employing aircraft.

[Day Man]

Did I miss his quals?

[DirkDiggler]

33 minutes ago, Toro said:

HarleyQuinn is in time out.  The adults may continue their conversation.

Is PYOB back?  The general profile seemed the same.  Weird, disjointed posts followed by childlike tantrums and personal threats when proven wrong by others.

[Lawman]

Is PYOB back?  The general profile seemed the same.  Weird, disjointed posts followed by childlike tantrums and personal threats when proven wrong by others.

It’s the ghost of BQzip... back to take his revenge.


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[Breckey]

His mom's chlamydia is still getting revenge on me.

[Danger41]

I can’t believe a superior intellect like his is having trouble getting promoted. 

[herkbum]

Didn’t he say he was a DO at an AETC base? I really hope he was a troll. If not, I hate to see the squadron.


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[ThreeHoler]

“DO in a Training Group of non-fliers and he’s not allowed to wear his bag.”


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[matmacwc]

He made sense for a while then it went off the rails, much like PYOB

[Prosuper]

On 11/17/2018 at 3:57 PM, nunya said:

They wouldn't notice, man.  Very few AF units are supported by AF flight ops.

Robin Olds told all other agencies on base if the flightline was open so are they. 

[MooseClub]

^I remember when Ops, not MX, ran the flying schedule. 

[nunya]

2 hours ago, Prosuper said:

Robin Olds told all other agencies on base if the flightline was open so are they. 

He'd get laughed at in today's AF if he tried to decree that.  Somebody with one more star would tell the support agencies they don't have to listen to the big mean fighter pilot man.