What's wrong with the Air Force?

[Orbit]

If you told me that is from a AFROTC how the AF operates 101 booklet or something I would 100% believe it.  🤢

[so.it.goes]

So, is the AF good now, or is everyone tired of bitching?

No action in more than a month...

[nunya]

Everyone's out.

[SFG]

What’s wrong with the AF finally just became the new normal and is being discussed casually in the other threads.

Word on the street is take rates are now in the 30%s.  I think congress has tired of hearing about it so... 🤷‍♂️

Edited August 1, 2019 by Klepto

[pawnman]

What's wrong with the Air Force?  We pass over officers with impeccable combat records and no PT failures in the flying community, but put people like this into SQ/CC jobs in the MXG.

I can't imagine how she will credibly counsel any airmen who fails a PT test under her command.

[CharlieHotel47]

The above dilemma exist in all aspects of our dearest military. Specially in the Army. The good folks leave... and the turds that have no business leading people float to the top to take command.

Also...

 

[Bigred]

2 hours ago, pawnman said:

What's wrong with the Air Force?  We pass over officers with impeccable combat records and no PT failures in the flying community, but put people like this into SQ/CC jobs in the MXG.

I can't imagine how she will credibly counsel any airmen who fails a PT test under her command.

C’mon, give her a break, she just had a kid. 

 

I mean, she did eat it, but to each their own, right?

[raimius]

I'm not sure that's the way to solve a mold problem...that suddenly, unexpectedly, and completely newfound to any leadership just appeared in over 1,000 dorms...

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=469296953893005&id=251325062290392

[Blue]

2 hours ago, raimius said:

I'm not sure that's the way to solve a mold problem...that suddenly, unexpectedly, and completely newfound to any leadership just appeared in over 1,000 dorms...

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=469296953893005&id=251325062290392

All kinds of stuff on the Air Force amn/nco/snco page about mold at Lackland. 

https://www.facebook.com/AirForceForum

Getting picked up in the press as well.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Mold-found-in-1-100-dorm-rooms-on-Lackland-14268580.php

Lackland AFB has been there for a long time, how the hell does it all of a sudden become mold - infested?

[Air V]

10 hours ago, Klepto said:

What’s wrong with the AF finally just became the new normal and is being discussed casually in the other threads.

Word on the street is take rates are now in the 30%s.  I think congress has tired of hearing about it so... 🤷‍♂️

Current Manned Fixed-Wing Pilot take rate is 35%.

Data is skewed by a close to 50% rate from E-3s and E-8s.

The rest are similar to the C-17 and fighter take rates around 12%.

12%!

[pawnman]

2 minutes ago, Air V said:

Current Manned Fixed-Wing Pilot take rate is 35%.

Data is skewed by a close to 50% rate from E-3s and E-8s.

The rest are similar to the C-17 and fighter take rates around 12%.

12%!

And yet, pilots still promote at a lower rate than support officers.

I wonder why they are unwilling to commit to the Air Force.

[viper154]

1 hour ago, Air V said:

Current Manned Fixed-Wing Pilot take rate is 35%.

Data is skewed by a close to 50% rate from E-3s and E-8s.

The rest are similar to the C-17 and fighter take rates around 12%.

12%!

I’m surprised E-3s and E-8s have such a high take rate. I would think all that 4 engine Boeing time would make them super easy hires to make 2-3x pay for half the work/no deployments. 

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, viper154 said:

I’m surprised E-3s and E-8s have such a high take rate. I would think all that 4 engine Boeing time would make them super easy hires to make 2-3x pay for half the work/no deployments. 

As a former 11R it surprises me too. I never got the sense the ISR community took good care of 11Rs and there was always steep uphill competition against ABMs and 12Rs who had essential mission experience for command opportunities/etc... Maybe that's the key though. Maybe those dudes are happy to just fly. 

[BADFNZ]

13 hours ago, pawnman said:

What's wrong with the Air Force?  We pass over officers with impeccable combat records and no PT failures in the flying community, but put people like this into SQ/CC jobs in the MXG.

I can't imagine how she will credibly counsel any airmen who fails a PT test under her command.

Is there a backstory here?  Has she failed multiple PT tests or something?

[Jetpilot]

6 hours ago, Air V said:

Current Manned Fixed-Wing Pilot take rate is 35%.

Data is skewed by a close to 50% rate from E-3s and E-8s.

The rest are similar to the C-17 and fighter take rates around 12%.

12%!

12%!!  I have not been at a regular ops unit for some time now, so maybe someone else can chime in, but is this statistic translating into squadrons with only 1st or 2nd assignment captains and then the CC/DO?  

 

Are other MAJCOM A1s also limiting staff assignments similar to what ACC did?

 

So...crisis mode??

[Sua Sponte]

3 hours ago, BADFNZ said:

Is there a backstory here?  Has she failed multiple PT tests or something?

Can’t fail a test if you’re always exempt...

[brabus]

3 hours ago, Jetpilot said:

but is this statistic translating into squadrons with only 1st or 2nd assignment captains and then the CC/DO? 

Multiple fighter squadrons out there with roughly 2 Lt Cols, 1 Maj, 5 Capt (3 of whom are first assignment) and 15 LTs. The lack of experience in the AD CAF is alarming. 90% of the experience has punched at first opportunity. 

[SFG]

4 hours ago, Jetpilot said:

So...crisis mode??

On the contrary, there appears to be a blood pact from the top to simply not discuss the pilot shortage anymore.  There’s been little to no publicly distributed news, briefs, or media, for what seems like months.  I’m sure it will fix itself.

Just turn it off and back on again.

[Duck]

Got a chance to talk to my old sister squadron Commander while he was doing his new-hire orientation ride at my airline. He punched before hitting 20 and told me that during his whole 2 year stint as a commander, he did not PCS a single Major. The Wing Commander called him and the other flying squadron commanders in and was seriously confused why no one was staying in past their Initial UPT commitment. UFB.


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[nunya]

4 minutes ago, Duck said:

The Wing Commander called him and the other flying squadron commanders in and was seriously confused why no one was staying in past their Initial UPT commitment.

[pawnman]

42 minutes ago, Duck said:

Got a chance to talk to my old sister squadron Commander while he was doing his new-hire orientation ride at my airline. He punched before hitting 20 and told me that during his whole 2 year stint as a commander, he did not PCS a single Major. The Wing Commander called him and the other flying squadron commanders in and was seriously confused why no one was staying in past their Initial UPT commitment. UFB.


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Going on six years here at Dyess.  Very similar tales...if you didn't get a school slot, you stayed in the FTU.

[SurelySerious]

Standby for your HAF mandated down day to “address” suicides. I’m waiting for the part where they ask our airmen what’s wrong, then dismiss all the things brought up as whining/complaining.

 

Sounds just like the pilot retention task force. Therefore, my only conclusion is they don’t actually give a shit about any of their people and will just produce more airmen to replace the ones they lose from the big air force perspective. But the appearance of having done something has been accomplished. 

Edited August 2, 2019 by SurelySerious

[gearhog]

Seems like we now have an "It is what it is" attitude from leadership. You can't maintain a "crisis" mode of thinking indefinitely, and everyone involved in the pilot shortage issue capable of making any sort of a change is probably looking at their next assignment.

Problems have been elevated to Congress with regard to financial incentives. No meaningful response. For quality of life, the bureaucratic inertia is too great to change directions, especially when everyone in the chain has been selected because they say "Yes, Sir! Right away, Sir!" instead of challenging poor policies and directives that are detrimental to their subordinates.

How long can you maintain a pilot shortage before it simply becomes the status quo?

[nunya]

15 minutes ago, torqued said:

How long can you maintain a pilot shortage before it simply becomes the status quo?

So what was "normal" is now a "surplus?"

[Stitch]

On 6/24/2019 at 7:23 AM, Orbit said:

If you told me that is from a AFROTC how the AF operates 101 booklet or something I would 100% believe it.  🤢

No... that's chapter 1 in the enlisted PFE study guide....