10percenttruth Posted March 24, 2014 Posted March 24, 2014 Has there been any additional 'fall-out' in the past week or two? Has the individual recanted or been set straight? Doubt it. He probably had top cover from the brave warrior who tried to out Bender 1
Buddy Spike Posted March 25, 2014 Posted March 25, 2014 What happens if you don't waive your dwell? You don't get to film the merge?
hindsight2020 Posted March 25, 2014 Posted March 25, 2014 You don't get to film the merge? I thought Jodie would do that for you in any event....common courtesy and shit.
fox two Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Yesterday a deployed member in Afghanistan got an LOA for hands in pockets. You probably think I'm joking. You probably think there are additional extenuating circumstances I left out. Nope. Pretty much the tip of the iceberg of shit going on right now.
BFM this Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 LOC, LOR,...LOA? This sounds not good, but what is this one? Admonishment?
SocialD Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) Are you required to sign a LOA? If so, don't sign it and reference the following news article with quotes from the CSAF. I chalk this rule up in the ridiculous column along with the requirement to fold up your watch cap...much to the chagrin of my command chief. https://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/467619/welsh-airmen-should-use-common-sense-in-approaching-missions.aspx Edited March 27, 2014 by SocialD
ForgotPassword Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Yesterday a deployed member in Afghanistan got an LOA for hands in pockets. You probably think I'm joking. You probably think there are additional extenuating circumstances I left out. Nope. Pretty much the tip of the iceberg of shit going on right now. Someone should send General Welsh a letter about this particular event. Ask him if this is really the Air Force he wants defending our country.
BB Stacker Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 Yesterday a deployed member in Afghanistan got an LOA for hands in pockets. You probably think I'm joking. You probably think there are additional extenuating circumstances I left out. Nope. Pretty much the tip of the iceberg of shit going on right now. Holy shit. Location? Are you required to sign a LOA? If so, don't sign it and reference the following news article with quotes from the CSAF. I chalk this rule up in the ridiculous column along with the requirement to fold up your watch cap...much to the chagrin of my command chief. https://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/467619/welsh-airmen-should-use-common-sense-in-approaching-missions.aspx Just like anything else, required to sign in order to acknowledge receipt, not that you agree or accept that the person issuing it is correct. You should be able to write a rebuttal though and could reference article in said rebuttal. 1
Duck Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 I'm interested. Ranks of both involved? Rogue Chief sighting?
CEGuy Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 It's a damn shame when someone else has nothing else better to do than write someone up for having their hands in their pockets, at a deployed location none-the-less. I truly do understand that there are standards to be met, but if I went around giving paperwork to every guy/gal that I saw violating an AFI here, I would get nothing done. And Big Blue wonders why a shit-ton of folks hit the button.....
hispeed7721 Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 LOC, LOR,...LOA? This sounds not good, but what is this one? Admonishment? Yeah LOA is in between LOC and LOR, it's basically a good way to have the visibility of an LOR without the negative repercussions that follow an LOR. Someone should send General Welsh a letter about this particular event. Ask him if this is really the Air Force he wants defending our country. This, all the way. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
MD Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 It's a damn shame when someone else has nothing else better to do than write someone up for having their hands in their pockets, at a deployed location none-the-less. I truly do understand that there are standards to be met, but if I went around giving paperwork to every guy/gal that I saw violating an AFI here, I would get nothing done. And Big Blue wonders why a shit-ton of folks hit the button..... If I can't trust a guy to keep his hands out of his pockets, how can I trust the same guy to get bombs on target? Or turn the key in the silo when ordered? Or make a patty melt correctly at the chow hall? Or properly scan an ID at the gate? Or create a CBT correctly? Or install a flight control component correctly? Or monitor a satellite orbit? Or any other number of critical life or death functions worldwide that would be placed in immediate jeopardy and instant peril......all due to one singular guy on the other side of the planet in the middle of nowhere, who isn't able to keep his hands out of his pockets? Luckily, he was caught in time. And the aforementioned duties, as well as a host of others, were saved just in the nick of time; and can continue to operate at their robust pace. We can't afford to let ourselves get this close to the brink again. This is how wars start. 6
Rusty Pipes Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 What's wrong with the Air Force is that I will now have to go to a SAPR class for posting on page 69!!!
SuperWSO Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 If I can't trust a guy to keep his hands out of his pockets, how can I trust the same guy to get bombs on target? Or turn the key in the silo when ordered? Or make a patty melt correctly at the chow hall? Or properly scan an ID at the gate? Or create a CBT correctly? Or install a flight control component correctly? Or monitor a satellite orbit? Duh, he can't do any of those things. They all require hands, which we said were in his pocket. You can't turn the key with your hands in your pocket. Case closed! 1
albertschu Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 If I can't trust a guy to keep his hands out of his pockets, how can I trust the same guy to get bombs on target? Or turn the key in the silo when ordered? Or make a patty melt correctly at the chow hall? Or properly scan an ID at the gate? Or create a CBT correctly? Or install a flight control component correctly? Or monitor a satellite orbit? Or draft, coordinate, and publish a PSDM correctly? 3
ViperMan Posted March 28, 2014 Posted March 28, 2014 "Or draft, coordinate, and publish a PSDM correctly?" Too soon... 1
panchbarnes Posted March 30, 2014 Posted March 30, 2014 (edited) Lots of gems in this article. Unfortunately, the AF leadership problems are not unique. I still hold our senior AF folks accountable for the recent issues, but the problems and the culture didn't develop overnight. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/alcohol-isnt-the-secret-services-problem-lousy-leadership-is/2014/03/28/6cc1b48c-b5be-11e3-b899-20667de76985_story.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop Dan Emmett, a former Marine Corps captain, retired Secret Service agent and former CIA intelligence officer, is the author of “Within Arm’s Length: A Secret Service Agent’s Definitive Inside Account of Protecting the President,” forthcoming in June. Sound familiar? The problem in the agency is not alcohol or debauchery, but weak leadership. There are too many incompetent managers who want the title, pay and perks of management while performing no duties of leadership. The problem is not bad Secret Service agents but bad leaders of Secret Service agents The Secret Service may not admit it, but its promotion system is primarily designed to move the best-liked people, not necessarily the best-qualified, into managerial positions. The Secret Service of today is awash in managers, not leaders. Many supervisors have little tangible or leadership experience, yet they are designated as managers on the basis of their titles and long lists of schools attended. The tragedy of this horrid and ineffective system is that many highly qualified agents who would be superb leaders are passed over for promotion; they are not in “the club.” The result is evident in today’s embarrassing headlines. And finally, Col Stanley this is for you. The best leaders willingly take responsibility for the actions of their people. When I was a 23-year-old second lieutenant with the 1st Marine Division, my first company commander informed me that he would hold me responsible for everything my men did or failed to do. His hard lesson: It is the commander who bears the ultimate responsibility for subordinates’ actions. This lesson seems to be unique to the military, though it should apply non-uniformed government workers, too. If high-ranking officials were terminated or disciplined for the infractions of their wayward subordinates, rather than the wrongdoers themselves receiving all the punishment, perhaps there would be fewer incidents such as the ones haunting the Secret Service of late. Edited March 30, 2014 by PanchBarnes 2
Skitzo Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 https://www.af.mil/mobile/News/tabid/252/Article/475142/sesame-street-friends-help-military-children-move.aspx Did someone just reference 6 to 9 with regard to children? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
Marlboro BLACK Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Ain't nothin' wrong with that. As stupid as I think this duckfacing (whatever the f*ck) thing is, I give the dude props for the atmosphere he's appeared to have created in that office. Being able to hang loose with the boss (and vice versa) is pretty damn far from what's wrong with the AF. 4
KState_Poke22 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 https://www.af.mil/mobile/News/tabid/252/Article/475142/sesame-street-friends-help-military-children-move.aspx Did someone just reference 6 to 9 with regard to children? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Some writer didn't listen at their last SAPR training. Don't they know sexual references (intentional or not) lead directly to sexual assault within months or weeks or even days?
Tnkr Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Ain't nothin' wrong with that. As stupid as I think this duckfacing (whatever the f*ck) thing is, I give the dude props for the atmosphere he's appeared to have created in that office. Being able to hang loose with the boss (and vice versa) is pretty damn far from what's wrong with the AF. Part of me wants to agree with you but all I can think about is how embarrassing that pic will be to welsh when it reaches his fb page, cuz you know that's going on the fb.
Fuzz Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Part of me wants to agree with you but all I can think about is how embarrassing that pic will be to welsh when it reaches his fb page, cuz you know that's going on the fb. Surely you aren't talking about the same General Welsh that gave a speech wearing a Captain America mask? 2
BattleRattle Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) Surely you aren't talking about the same General Welsh that gave a speech wearing a Captain America mask? Not Captain America; Captain Airpower! Edited March 31, 2014 by BattleRattle 1
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