What's wrong with the Air Force?

[17D_guy]

I had never heard of a CFETP until I became the lone rated dude in an acquisitions organization. It's definitely a non-rated thing. Instead, the rated world has MAJCOM-approved upgrades for each crew position.

CFETP = Career Field Education & Training Plan. Basically, it's a guide to what training at what time is appropriate for each AFSC. It's authored by the functionals for each AFSC at SAF. It replaces that speech from an iron-major that each rated Lt gets when landing in an ops squadron. For the non-rated folks, numbers in each org is smaller, so that type of feedback is formally published.

Yep. It's basically a list of every skill with identifiers of knowledge level that every person in the AFSC should.

For example task:

send email - id'd as a core task(so required for qualification)/optional - requires initial(familiarization)/journeyman(performance)/craftsman(trainer) level knowledge - signed off by a higher level than the trainee accomplishing it

This is.. amazing. I'm not sure how they're going to accomplish this in the local Comm Sq. We get CC's in that never hit a NOSC/Crew CC/Cyber Ops position and will not be signed off on tasks that could be required. I suppose they'll grandfather people in.. though that makes no sense from a training standpoint. They could just make it so local comm support requirements are very little and once you get to a Cyber Ops area you've got to back train on tons of items. Which will be fun trying to train up as an O4 DO with a Lt/Capt signing you off on stuff.

Oh.. and the Ops positions also have their own training requirements separate from this. Chance of those going away in favor of this - nil. Thanks AF, more duplication of work!

Where's the space guy? Is this how you all do it?

Found space guy's username and PM'd him to not clutter the board.

Edited August 7, 2014 by 17D_guy

[Flyingnut]

It's the same in the ops world in some respects. I'm a late rate Maj with Capt IPs / 1lt INs who have signed of on my training folders.

Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

[JarheadBoom]

Wait, *command post* is asking those questions? "Unable."

If it's a problem to the point of affecting choices or creating workload in the air, I'd talk the SQ/CC for some top-cover to knock that shit off.

Our WG/CC seems to enjoy creating these food fights between Ops and MX re: the various timelines, metrics, delay and canx reasons, etc. SQ/CC can't do much when his own boss is a huge part of the problem...

I would hesitate to complain about the McGoo CP asking that...since it's much better than it used to be with "partial crew show"; "full crew show"; "close up"; "block out"; etc. The only metric that matters for Ops "on-time" is -1 preflight complete x minutes prior to takeoff.

I'll take the single time (-1 preflight) over all the previous times any day.

We still get beat up on crew show times; see above.

[Majestik Møøse]

Our WG/CC seems to enjoy creating these food fights between Ops and MX re: the various timelines, metrics, delay and canx reasons, etc. SQ/CC can't do much when his own boss is a huge part of the problem...

We still get beat up on crew show times; see above.

Has anyone at McGuire wondered out loud why the Travis guys aren't trying to go east anymore? That place sounds terrible.

[HercDude]

More on the Lt Col Blair Kaiser saga:

https://www.jqpublic-blog.com/raging-white-jettisoning-lt-col-blair-kaiser-air-forces-ethics-problem/

The AF managed a one page response and cited unproven allegations to a Congressional inquiry.

[FBomb]

I was approved for VSP in this last round and during my outprocessing was required to speak to reserve recruiter on base. He told me I could still Palace Chase, but would need my entire PT history, last three OPRs, and a bio in that order for any job I put in for. Maybe I'll go ANG...

[Fuzz]

Has anyone at McGuire wondered out loud why the Travis guys aren't trying to go east anymore? That place sounds terrible.

Because its in NJ? Not that I would trade one socialist state for another but there are still more redeeming qualities in CA than NJ.

[Beaver]

I was approved for VSP in this last round and during my outprocessing was required to speak to reserve recruiter on base. He told me I could still Palace Chase, but would need my entire PT history, last three OPRs, and a bio in that order for any job I put in for. Maybe I'll go ANG...

You think ANG isn't going to ask for OPRs and a resume?

[FBomb]

You think ANG isn't going to ask for OPRs and a resume?

I don't care about OPRs and resumes, my point was that the Reserves seen to be going as crazy about PT history as AD.

[Beaver]

You're right, you should probably just apply to the guard.

[SocialD]

Things in the Guard are changing my friend...big time! OPRs have started getting ridiculous...

[MD]

Reserve, and many ANG units, have become nothing more than mini-AD.

[hispeed7721]

there are still more redeeming qualities in CA than NJ.

That's a VERY bold statement...I don't know that either have any qualities redeeming enough to overcome the negatives

[Fuzz]

That's a VERY bold statement...I don't know that either have any qualities redeeming enough to overcome the negatives

You're right but if I had to choose, I think I would go with CA. At least they have things like the sanoma wine country, the mountains, etc. Not many people I know take vacations to NJ over CA.

[17D_guy]

My Amn got called in over the weekend to update the GAL rank for a recently promoted O7.

[stract]

the GO couldn't figure out how to use self-help? Or have his aide do it for him?

[hispeed7721]

My Amn got called in over the weekend to update the GAL rank for a recently promoted O7.

YGBFSM...This is one of the headliners for this thread.

Heaven forbid someone send this chode an email and see Col instead of BG in his GAL listing

[Champ Kind]

YGBFSM...This is one of the headliners for this thread.

Heaven forbid someone send this chode an email and see Col instead of BG in his GAL listing

Send an email to him over the weekend, at that...

[Azimuth]

My Amn got called in over the weekend to update the GAL rank for a recently promoted O7.

Self Help, how does it work.

[Liquid]

Who called the Airman in? His/her supervisor? Commander? The General?

[Napoleon_Tanerite]

Who called the Airman in? His/her supervisor? Commander? The General?

If I were a betting man I would say is was sycophantic pickle-polishing middle management types who are not the general but are close enough to think that they will go far in life by making everything perfect for said general. Unfortunately, these are the kind of knobs who DO go far in the AF-- hence the reason this thread is pushing 100 pages.

[VTguy]

My Amn got called in over the weekend to update the GAL rank for a recently promoted O7.

Granted I've only spent a minimal amount of time around the recently promoted O-7 in question, but I have a very hard time believing he would have demanded a comm dude come in on the weekend for that. My guess is that was the good work of middle management.

[nunya]

Friday at 1630: "Hey Major, would you please get comm to update my rank in the global?" "Yessir!"

Friday at 1900: "Hey comm MSgt, the general wants his rank fixed now!"

Saturday at 0700: "Airman, get into work right now and fix the global!!"

Monday at 0729: "General sir, your email is fixed as you asked!"

[JarheadBoom]

Isn't there a headline at the top of the main AF Portal page with a link about self-updating your GAL info?

edit: No, not on AF Portal home page. It was (and still is) on the 514AMW home page.

Edited August 12, 2014 by JarheadBoom

[17D_guy]

Who called the Airman in? His/her supervisor? Commander? The General?

DS & exec were demanding it get done ASAP since he pinned on Fri.

And yep.. we can't update NIPR GAL info. That pulls straight from DEERS now. SIPR we finished on Saturday. So.. it takes 3 days to update changes.

DOR is the 15th.. so for 3 days the rank could be wrong.

THE HORROR.

Edited August 13, 2014 by 17D_guy