What's wrong with the Air Force?

[17D_guy]

Wonder what it would look like if we could bounce this list against the RIF/TERA/VSP/Whatever "must separate matrix" that AFPC offered in the last 2 years.  

Edit to add that the two workhorse cyber customer support AFSCs we separated a ton of are on there: 3D1X1 Client Systems, and 3D1X2 Cyber Transport Systems 

 

Edited October 28, 2015 by 17D_guy

[Prosuper]

WTF, they even offering regional band guys a in.  https://www.docdroid.net/kCfNqTe/fy16-prior-service-afsc-list.xlsx.html

[Duck]

Yeah the last VSP hit them hard with all the mandatory retirements for concert orchestras going in effect. Thank God the Air Force is lead turning this one.

[M2]

History repeats itself.

Whoa!  Check out that burrito selection!

[HU&W]

History repeats itself.

docdro.id/kCINqTe?  For real?  That's not exactly catchy.  Too bad the af doesn't have a website with an easy to remember URL.

[deaddebate]

docdro.id/kCINqTe?

It's actually docdro.id/kCfNqTe

The f is hard to see.

They should've used go.usa.gov as a link shortener.

[TarHeelPilot]

I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on this one.  A last-look Major is selected for ACSC + 2 years SOS instructor to follow.  He'll have 16 years TIS when he starts ACSC next summer, due to being prior enlisted.  He'll be at 19 years and hopefully PCS's back to a flying squadron to finish out. If he goes to staff, that will be 5+ years out of an airplane trying to get hired at the airlines (what he wants eventually.)

Or he 7 day opts at over 15 years active-duty.

 

To me, this sounds like a lose-lose, for the Air Force and for him... unless SOS is hurting that bad for instructors.

 

[Duck]

Tell him to run while he still has a chance...

[brabus]

Know a couple dudes who punched to reserves at 17-18 years; the alternative was a year at bumfuckistan for a "great command opportunity" - they don't have regrets.  The 20 year retirement isn't everything.

[slackline]

I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on this one.  A last-look Major is selected for ACSC + 2 years SOS instructor to follow.  He'll have 16 years TIS when he starts ACSC next summer, due to being prior enlisted.  He'll be at 19 years and hopefully PCS's back to a flying squadron to finish out. If he goes to staff, that will be 5+ years out of an airplane trying to get hired at the airlines (what he wants eventually.)

Or he 7 day opts at over 15 years active-duty.

 

To me, this sounds like a lose-lose, for the Air Force and for him... unless SOS is hurting that bad for instructors.

 

I didn't punch before school, and now wish I had. Tell him to run.

[Majestik Møøse]

Or he 7 day opts at over 15 years active-duty.

To me, this sounds like a lose-lose, for the Air Force and for him... unless SOS is hurting that bad for instructors.

It is a lose-lose, but could be a win-win for him and the Guard-Reserves.  They get the experience and he gets the retirement eventually without the 365 threat.

[pcola]

I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on this one.  A last-look second-look Major is selected for ACSC + 2 1-year SOS ACSC instructor to follow.  He'll have 16 years TIS when he starts ACSC next summer, due to being prior enlisted.  He'll be at 19 18 years and hopefully PCS's back to a flying squadron to finish out. If he goes to staff, that will be 5+ 4 years out of an airplane trying to get hired at the airlines (what he wants eventually.) (or he eats the add'l 2 year ADSC to return to a flying sq after staff, extending retirement - and airline job by 2ish years.)

Or he 7 day opts at over 15 years active-duty.

 

To me, this sounds like a lose-lose, for the Air Force and for him... unless SOS AU is hurting that bad for instructors.

FIFY (Italic edits mine) - And to add some amplifying information, he is currently enjoying his flying squadron/job and wouldn't voluntarily leave - is very hopeful to return upon completion of requisite queep-work.  Also, with school completion, he'll pin on O5 in late 2018/early 19 - may as well stay an extra year for the bump in retirement pay, no?  365 not a concern d2 2013 STRD (dues paid!)  7 day opt is not on the table for this case.  I believe he'll grin and bear the 2-year accompanied tour to Alabamastan.

[pcola]

 

 

I didn't punch before school, and now wish I had. Tell him to run.

Why?

[MD]

Know a couple dudes who punched to reserves at 17-18 years; the alternative was a year at bumfuckistan for a "great command opportunity" - they don't have regrets.  The 20 year retirement isn't everything.

That would be me.  It just became really not worth it anymore. And neither were the various carrots being held in front anymore. Part time reserves now for maybe a little while longer, ADSCs long since done, Gate complete. And full time on the outside. No regrets.

Edited October 30, 2015 by MD

[slackline]

Why?

Quite a few friends did this, and are happy in the Guard right now while I'm stuck in a staff job. I was really blown away by the AF's lack of understanding of what's going on in the AF with every general that marched across the stage and basically told us it was up to us (a bunch of O-4) to fix all the problems they'd created. Sometimes they would almost say that verbatim... I was on an exchange, away from Big Blue, when I made my choice, so I don't think I had all the information to make an informed decision. I'm in now, so I'll make the best of it, but I wish I had chosen otherwise.

[Prosuper]

It has been like this since the draw down after Desert Storm, https://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/11/02/weary-maintainers-struggle-keep-fleet-combat-ready/74870766/

[17D_guy]

I don't know if we want to corral the discussion about AFD1-1 to the JQP news posts, or continue it here.  But.. I did not see that all coming from the CSAF.  They're really taking the circle the wagons around the stars thing to the next level.

Someone had a really good post on the FB pages about posting political comments/opinions/mem's on our personal pages during election season.  How is that going to jive against the blessed little Red Blue Book.

 

[panchbarnes]

Got an interesting AMS Mail Robot e-mail for an Exec position. 

A couple of things jumped out at me:

2. Will accept any LAF AFSC Officer (Rated Officers - Certain Major Weapons Systems may be ineligible to apply for this non-rated position due to the Chief of Staff's Rated Staff Allocation Plan.)

So it looks like CSAF has a staff quota for stressed MWSs.  Good if you want to stay away from staff, but potentially bad as your community might be underrepresented in key staff billets.  

 3. QUALIFICATIONS
   a. Mandatory:
    - PME commensurate with grade
   b. Desired:
    - IDE “select” for O-4 applicants 

I don't recall seeing "IDE select" in the past (maybe I just didn't pay enough attention).  It is only "desired" (for now), but I see it as the Big Blue doubling down on the "Golden Child/Chosen One" program.  Perhaps more senior folks on the board can better interpret this desired qual.

[Herk Driver]

Got an interesting AMS Mail Robot e-mail for an Exec position. 

A couple of things jumped out at me:

So it looks like CSAF has a staff quota for stressed MWSs.  Good if you want to stay away from staff, but potentially bad as your community might be underrepresented in key staff billets.  I don't recall seeing "IDE select" in the past (maybe I just didn't pay enough attention).  It is only "desired" (for now), but I see it as the Big Blue doubling down on the "Golden Child/Chosen One" program.  Perhaps more senior folks on the board can better interpret this desired qual.

There has been a rated staff allocation plan for as long as I can remember. It may have changed over the years but it has existed.

Have seen the IDE select thing has been on some positions in the past as well. Call it doubling down if you want. I won't argue that point but there is not very much new here.

[panchbarnes]

There has been a rated staff allocation plan for as long as I can remember. It may have changed over the years but it has existed.

 

Have seen the IDE select thing has been on some positions in the past as well. Call it doubling down if you want. I won't argue that point but there is not very much new here.

Learned something new today.  Thanks for the education!

[Skitzo]

Got an interesting AMS Mail Robot e-mail for an Exec position. 

A couple of things jumped out at me:

So it looks like CSAF has a staff quota for stressed MWSs.  Good if you want to stay away from staff, but potentially bad as your community might be underrepresented in key staff billets.  I don't recall seeing "IDE select" in the past (maybe I just didn't pay enough attention).  It is only "desired" (for now), but I see it as the Big Blue doubling down on the "Golden Child/Chosen One" program.  Perhaps more senior folks on the board can better interpret this desired qual.

Is it easier to grant IDE credit for equivalency if you are already a select?

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[Stitch]

It has been like this since the draw down after Desert Storm, https://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/11/02/weary-maintainers-struggle-keep-fleet-combat-ready/74870766/

Agree 100%, for maintainers 12+ hour days are the norm.  Don't even ask for time away to go to the gym, CBPO (ahem... MPF), Finance, BX, Class VI, your kid being born, etc...  Had my ass handed to me once by my flight chief for letting a dorm guy go to the Post Office prior to a 30+ day TDY to pick up a package that had been there over a month.  Couldn't go during "normal" hours; had report to work a good two hours before PO opened, went home well after it's closed.  Thank God for the flightline chow hall, such as it was; if it wasn't for that, NONE of dorm rats would have hot meals Mon-Fri.        

[HuggyU2]

This guy could get 100+ years in prison.  

I guess it is way worse than what Bergdahl did...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/5/aaron-allmon-case-makes-minot-air-force-base-groun/?page=2

 

[Lord Ratner]

This guy could get 100+ years in prison.  

I guess it is way worse than what Bergdahl did...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/5/aaron-allmon-case-makes-minot-air-force-base-groun/?page=2

 

We are quite successfully criminalizing human interaction.

On the flip side, this shows that SAPR training works in some respects. Teach a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds that uncomfortable, unpleasant, or unwanted interactions are actually "violence" and "assault," and they will believe it. The pendulum is already swinging the other way in the college world, the military should follow soon enough.

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[MilitaryToFinance]

I think the most telling part of that article is the woman "realizing" that the behavior talked about in the SAPR brief matched his actions and then pressing charges. If you have to go to a class and be told that you were "assaulted" for you to notice it then you most definitely weren't actually assaulted.