ACSC OLMP?

[KWings06j]

I did in 6.0 without ever calling or emailing. Did the second applied course while waiting for the first to start and did 3 and 4 at the same time. 

[Khruangbin33]

Latest and greatest out of the Air University's transition to Arizona State administration of courseware:  You can't be enrolled in ACSC distance learning and the OLMP simultaneously.

[contraildash]

Ever wonder what the DL 7.0 'top off' for IDE credit from your OLMP masters looks like?

This took over a month to get a solid answer (unacceptable, even with COVID), hopefully the move to ASU admin of the course ware solves this or at least mitigates it.

I got my masters through the OLMP and signed up in April for the ACSC DL 7.0 to 'top off' and get my IDE credit. NO WHERE do they discuss what the ACSC DL 7.0 "supplemental" program requirements are in the catalogue, student guide, ect. Furthermore, as of April you could not sign up for the supplemental program unless you contact them via help ticket.

If you are looking at doing the DL 7.0 following your OLMP completion, the following is what I was told today via help ticket:

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You get credit for 7 courses. You won't have to take ISS601, WAR601, ISS602, AIR601, and 3 focused studies courses.

Based on what the catalogue shows for the program, credit for 3 focuses studies courses eliminates that entire section/requirement. You are left with the two orientation courses, 6x self paced, and 3x facilitated courses. So far I have not been able to sign up for more than one course. July 6 ACSC DL 7.0 transitions to the ASU program....be interesting to see how that goes.

 

Below is the 'syllabus' to top off your OLMP (ignore the black arrows, I stole this from the DL 6.0 to DL 7.0 transition)

[MCO]

Top off looks basically the same as the 6.0 top off, maybe slightly more.

[IDALPHA]

You’ll be such a great squadron commander when you get this all finished. (So I’ve heard) ((From nobody...ever))

[contraildash]

Yeah totally agree that it is dumb. It isn't hard, just painfully time consuming.

I'm averaging a minimum of 7 days for any responses from them, and because the AU system for registering was all jacked up it meant a self-paced class that I could finish in a day or two....would take two weeks because of the broken process. Now there are no classes for the entirety of July as they transition, not even self-paced courses. I tried to sign up for my August facilitated class on 25 June, but their system said I hadn't completed the prerequisite (I had). So I put in yet another help ticket that day. The deadline for the August classes was yesterday...they emailed me today stating I had to wait and go through the ASU registration in August. So basically wasting two months of my time waiting now. Just fucking silly really. 

[JBueno]

Is it just me or is the whole ACSC easter egg hunt for assignments, due dates, and instructions ridiculous? It's like they let the DTS architects loose to design this dumpster fire. 

[SurelySerious]

#notworthit

[contraildash]

The ASU transition...shockingly...is not clear. "click the link and follow the ASU instructions" AU wipes their hands clean. There are no instructions, just a choose your own adventure of links. On a good note....ASU online help has been more responsive than any support organization in the Air Force. They were able to knock it out in about 5 min.

 

Update:

within .69 seconds of being on the ASU system I was able to

1. sign up for my next self paced class (instant registration)

2. start next self paced class (it links you directly to the class canvas)

Super clean interface. My syllabus is laid out in it's entirety to include registration dates for the facilitated courses. Looks like a linear progression though, sent email request to see if you can take more than one class at once or start the self paced classes in the next block prior to finishing the current block faciliated course.

Because of the previous AU shenanigans, my next facilitated class won't be until Sept so no update there.

 

 

Edited July 25, 2020 by contraildash
updated information

[IDALPHA]

15 hours ago, contraildash said:

The ASU transition...shockingly...is not clear. "click the link and follow the ASU instructions" AU wipes their hands clean. There are no instructions, just a choose your own adventure of links. On a good note....ASU online help has been more responsive than any support organization in the Air Force. They were able to knock it out in about 5 min.

 

Update:

within .69 seconds of being on the ASU system I was able to

1. sign up for my next self paced class (instant registration)

2. start next self paced class (it links you directly to the class canvas)

Super clean interface. My syllabus is laid out in it's entirety to include registration dates for the facilitated courses. Looks like a linear progression though, sent email request to see if you can take more than one class at once or start the self paced classes in the next block prior to finishing the current block faciliated course.

Because of the previous AU shenanigans, my next facilitated class won't be until Sept so no update there.

 

 

Yay? Sweet? (Please move to whats wrong with the AF thread)

[Jetpilot]

Does SDE AWC online count for JPME II credit?  Trying to limit pain by not having to go TDY for a separate course. Many thanks. 

[war007afa]

On 7/26/2020 at 6:49 AM, Jetpilot said:

Does SDE AWC online count for JPME II credit?  Trying to limit pain by not having to go TDY for a separate course. Many thanks. 

Nope

[Jetpilot]

2 hours ago, war007afa said:

Nope

Well...f#%^*. 
 

That makes zero sense

[tac airlifter]

1 hour ago, Jetpilot said:

Well...f#%^*. 
 

That makes zero sense

I was not a fan of JPME2, but AWC online cannot produce the same learning as joint planning in a room with joint planners.

 

[Danger41]

Anyone doing 7.0 now? I’m stuck on the Joint 601 class last slide about COMREL and can’t figure it out. Please help before I have an aneurysm.

[FLEA]

49 minutes ago, Danger41 said:

Anyone doing 7.0 now? I’m stuck on the Joint 601 class last slide about COMREL and can’t figure it out. Please help before I have an aneurysm.

As in you can't figure out the slide of the software/slide is glitchy and you can't figure out how to get through? 

[Danger41]

44 minutes ago, FLEA said:

As in you can't figure out the slide of the software/slide is glitchy and you can't figure out how to get through? 

I’ve got the tech side (ASU is actually very easy to use) but this is the last module of this class and you have to identify which members of a JTF have OPCON, ADCON, etc. I’ve done all kinds of research and cannot figure it out. There’s also no real hints and 7^6 possibilities so just moving them around isn’t an option. 

[FLEA]

2 hours ago, Danger41 said:

I’ve got the tech side (ASU is actually very easy to use) but this is the last module of this class and you have to identify which members of a JTF have OPCON, ADCON, etc. I’ve done all kinds of research and cannot figure it out. There’s also no real hints and 7^6 possibilities so just moving them around isn’t an option. 

I can help with that. I'll send you a PM. 

[BeefBears]

Just wanted to add something that I lucked into if any of the younger dudes are thinking about OLMP. If you take the captain's OLMP, do only the core classes, get maj sel, you can transfer the core classes to the majors OLMP and knock out IDE/JPME too. 

[Vimix22]

On 7/30/2020 at 1:32 AM, BeefBears said:

Just wanted to add something that I lucked into if any of the younger dudes are thinking about OLMP. If you take the captain's OLMP, do only the core classes, get maj sel, you can transfer the core classes to the majors OLMP and knock out IDE/JPME too. 

How smooth was the process to switch to the Joint concentration after you got your line number?

[BeefBears]

5 hours ago, Vimix22 said:

How smooth was the process to switch to the Joint concentration after you got your line number?

Its been a while, but I think I just sent the help desk a request to swap. A couple days later, it said joint warfare and had all my previous core classes still completed. 

[ThreeHoler]

How smooth was the process to switch to the Joint concentration after you got your line number?

Sent an email the day I got my line number. Done.

[MCO]

On 10/5/2020 at 9:31 AM, BeefBears said:

Its been a while, but I think I just sent the help desk a request to swap. A couple days later, it said joint warfare and had all my previous core classes still completed. 

Also if you go to WIC it counts as the electives, so 5 real classes and 2 paper classes and you are masters complete and only have to do ACSC correspondence top off(Short version) after you make Major. Of course I started that whole process when a Masters was mandatory but if you just want the easy button for a masters that auto updates your records and knocks out some or all of your ACSC all in one it’s not bad.

[contraildash]

I just finished the online 'supplemental' ACSC through ASU (I had already gotten my masters through the OLMP a few years back). That's my pro-tip for folks. Bang out the OLMP for free, it then counts for a significant portion of ACSC.

So now that I am done, here are my impressions. It was night and day better than the AU program (also not a big surprise). Even with a two month pause during the transition from AU to ASU, plus an overseas PCS, and the holidays, I was able to finish the course in six months...with about 4.5 months of actual work. I spent more time waiting to sign up for proctored classes than I spent doing actual classes.

Pros:

1. It isn't AU run.
2. Signing up is super easy, Registering for classes is super easy....i.e. instant compared to the 1-2 week process with AU.
3. Online interface is far superior to the AU blackboard. Everything you need is there, you can track your progress, see what has been assigned, when things are due, ect. Notification pushes can be customized and actually work. List goes on. See Pro #1.
4. Self-paced classes can be knocked out relatively fast, depending how you approach them.
5. The proctored classes are typically the final class in the block, once you sign up for one, the next block of self-paced classes unlocks. Allows you to get ahead while waiting for the proctored class to start.
6. Proctored classes aren't any different than before, but with a much more user friendly interface, they feel easier. Paper requirements were minimal and not difficult. Still the same old posting requirements as before.
7. Online support was very responsive and fast, I believe it was also 24/7. I was able to chat with someone at ASU and solve any issues I had immediately.
8. Some of the Joint classes referenced materials from classes I didn't have to take. ASU allows you to sign up for those classes in a special "access material" status.
9. Upon completion, the ACSC check-in-the-box on my SURF was updated within 3 weeks without any effort on my side. Not sure what wizardry they do to get that done so fast.

Cons:

1. If you previously completed OLMP and want to do the supplemental program you have to contact student services through the ASU 'help' chat after signing up. They will then transition you into the program appropriately. It was not clear when I originally signed up, might be better now. Either way their help was fast and immediate.
2. Sign up window for proctored classes are monthly. So if you miss a window, then you have to wait another month to sign up.
3. The Joint 'games' are still somewhat of a shit show/joke. Googleuniveristy can help getting through certain ones.

[MCO]

Something else for guys that got picked up for an IDE program that doesn’t count for JPME 1. You only have to take the supplemental top off and not the entire ACSC correspondence course according to AFPC. At least this year anyway. A few guys in my program were approved for that.